From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Mar 07 13:05:16 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:05:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FGjMW-0001mR-PN for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:04:56 -0800 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.14.81] helo=hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FGjMT-0001mK-HO for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:04:56 -0800 Received: FROM gyruss.gpcc.itd.umich.edu (gyruss.gpcc.itd.umich.edu [141.211.2.213]) BY hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 440DF573.DE20C.27332 ; 7 Mar 2006 16:04:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:04:51 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Joseph Martini X-X-Sender: alexjm@gyruss.gpcc.itd.umich.edu To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Lojban textbook(s) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11141 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list coi rodo I recently found a draft copy of the textbook by Robert LeChevalier, and have seen discussion about writing a new textbook. Also existing are the "Lojban for Beginners" lessons, the "Complete Lojban Language", and "What is Lojban?" -- of which the first and last are also viable for instruction. It seems to me that it would be beneficial for the Lojban community to standardize to some extent. Some of you may already know, but I have been writing a sort of reader that follows the lessons in Lojban for Beginners. However, if a student of Lojban is learning from the draft textbook I found, or the book What is Lojban, material is presented in an entirely different order, and the reader is useless because the student isn't using the vocabulary he/she knows. If certain order or groupings of the gismu and cmavo with respect to presentation in teaching, it would make the future books written to teach Lojban much more effective. For example, a student could read one lesson in the textbook, and then look at the corresponding section of the detailed grammar (or other CLL type book) for clarification of certain points. Also, people in my position who are writing material for students to read before they become fluent would be presented with a standard vocabulary to draw from. Students learning from any textbook would be able to read any of the basic material at a given level. Lojban is well named the logical language. Everything is terribly organized and categorized. It's really useful to be able to look up the selma'o of a cmavo I know, and know I can use all of the other cmavo in the same group in the same context. I think it is only reasonable that the teaching of Lojban be organized into a shared progression, or divided into blocks that are taught in the order of the author's preference, especially with respect to the gismu and rafsi vocabulary. What are your thoughts on this? mu'omi'e .alex. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.