From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 17 05:50:52 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 17 Mar 2006 05:50:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FKFLd-0005xE-8j for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 05:50:33 -0800 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.14.81] helo=hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FKFLZ-0005x4-Sy for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 05:50:33 -0800 Received: FROM centipede.gpcc.itd.umich.edu (centipede.gpcc.itd.umich.edu [141.211.2.212]) BY hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 441ABEA3.D0D1B.23668 ; 17 Mar 2006 08:50:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:50:27 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Joseph Martini X-X-Sender: alexjm@centipede.gpcc.itd.umich.edu To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic primes In-Reply-To: <20060317132354.77705.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20060317132354.77705.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11158 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list This sounds to me like an excellent idea. In any case, it would greatly improve the clarity of the definitions. (See the discussion of {pritu} in lojban-beginners for an example of such confusion.) The majority of definitions (that I've looked at) on jbovlaste are currently written in a highly compressed style, typical of paper dictionaries that just don't have the space for longer entries. mu'omi'e .aleks. to de'i 2006 pi'e 03 pi'e 17 la'e zoi xy. John E Clifford xy. ciska toi > Yes, that would be the sort of thing I have in > mind. Lojban clearly has all the current primes > and the requisite grammatical forms. I haven't > tried either the English or the Lojban NSM for > any word yet, but here is a same from another > language, toki pona: > > X tawa Y e Z = > At one time Z is in a place A > X does something B to Z > Because of this Z is in a different place Y. > When Z is not mentioned it is X or a part of X > When B is mentioned, it comes before tawa and the > object Z becomes attached to B, moving in front > of tawa. > > Something along this line for every predicate (at > least) in Lojban would be nice (the paraphrases > don't have to go back to basics so long as other > terms are defined using only more basic terms). > > > [ li'o ] To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.