From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Mar 18 08:24:08 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FKeDW-00005S-L4 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:23:50 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FKeDT-00005K-UB for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:23:50 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so808545wri for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:23:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MDilu+ZISZ6rzlUzSMWQI4YKbNQVtD7iUpagWUVwF9YJaQgIgEge95hZIyHCVbuJWgbpX2x8DYmCc5TW1IBXqUiLxU3Twm+XOTOQRq9PXBNkTIF0RjtbkjnYN0uer/0tG1x+dUI24xbTH+4j+6M1ooBG5vVwkJMV6i3QMOvik3U= Received: by 10.54.86.16 with SMTP id j16mr2416782wrb; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.67.10 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:23:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560603180823m5e01a1celc0e7beacde4aea08@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:23:46 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic primes In-Reply-To: <20060317232237.6492.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560603171301w71378637w10d8d846c6ff783e@mail.gmail.com> <20060317232237.6492.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 3/17/06, John E Clifford wrote: > I think it is important to stress the "in frame > of reference" version of x3, especially if the > "facing" version is creating problems. But how > do we say a frame of reference? Typical frames of reference in x3 could be: -The very positional reference in x2, if it is something with an intrinsic right side, such as a person. ("ri" will often get to it) -The speaker ("mi"). -The audience ("do"). -Some significant bystander. -A generic, unambiguously oriented person, e.g. "someone looking south" ("lo catlu be lo snanu"). -Anything else around with an intrinsic right side. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.