From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Mar 21 05:41:57 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:41:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLh79-000055-KG for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:41:35 -0800 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.36]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FLh78-00004x-GX for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:41:35 -0800 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id d.2cf.59c0fe4 (39330) for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:41:24 -0500 (EST) From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Message-ID: <2cf.59c0fe4.31515c84@wmconnect.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:41:24 EST Subject: [lojban] "on Billy's right" vs. "to the right of Billy" To: lojban-list@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2cf.59c0fe4.31515c84_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 52 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-archive-position: 11192 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_2cf.59c0fe4.31515c84_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/21/2006 4:23:05 AM Central Standard Time, ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes: > Byt the way, is there a regular distinction > between "on Billy's right" and "to the right of > Billy"? > Most definitely. If you and I together are looking at a stage full of children, including Billy, and I want to draw your attention to Mary, I could tell you: "Mary is the girl to the right of Billy", which means in your and my frame of reference, regardless of the orientation of Billy. If I say "Mary is the girl on Billy's right", then the frame of reference shifts to Billy's frame of reference. stevo --part1_2cf.59c0fe4.31515c84_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/21/2006 4:23:0= 5 AM Central Standard Time, ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes:


Byt the way, is there a reg= ular distinction
between "on Billy's right" and "to the right of
Billy"?


Most definitely.
If you and I together are looking at a stage full of children, including= Billy, and I want to draw your attention to Mary, I could tell you: "Mary i= s the girl to the right of Billy", which means in your and my frame of refer= ence, regardless of the orientation of Billy.=20
If I say "Mary is the girl on Billy's right", then the frame of referenc= e shifts to Billy's frame of reference.

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