From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Mar 22 06:46:30 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 22 Mar 2006 06:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FM4aa-0003nj-RD for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 06:45:32 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FM4aX-0003nZ-N2 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 06:45:32 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i28so199975wra for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 06:45:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BjWrb5sBJGs0YiksWVYEWu7CqYIvCPMvxGBddbBZkucYekppkl6+QccJTTQV/ZxaUXrXx8cWHkvv1/++CsRCecd0HaYEmDl8NqQkswZhWDaCKOlB9zfDBXvcAGi4nwdDvdcfs4aoVWYHYJcJdpk3AmbVgzcw9w2rSZabWmyQDUg= Received: by 10.54.72.20 with SMTP id u20mr624498wra; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 06:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.67.10 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 06:45:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560603220645l1c74d231p53a96c129518247b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:45:28 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic primes In-Reply-To: <20060322140952.99615.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560603220523i3c569819w83d892639f5bbdb4@mail.gmail.com> <20060322140952.99615.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11209 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 3/22/06, John E Clifford wrote: > > For example > > "SOMETHING" > > does not have to be an object, it can also be > > an action, as in > > "I do something", but presumably it cannot be a > > person, so > > there is no direct equivalent in Lojban {lo > > dacti} covers too little > > and {da} covers too much. > > But it is definitely an existential quantifier, > not a noun phrase -- and not quantitative ({su'o} > -- a distinction hard to make in Lojban or > English). Not sure what you mean. Wierzbicka lists SOMETHING/THING as a substantive, together with I, YOU, SOMEONE, PEOPLE and BODY, and SOME as a separate quantifier, together with ONE, TWO, ALL and MANY/MUCH. So at least in their system it seems to be a noun phrase. > Well, there is the logical argument for there > being a single distinctive list of primes. A not very convincing one, for my taste. > I think that ultimately a universal > set of primes is called for, whether the NSM set > or another (and it is unclear that the NSM set is > adequate, despite the best efforts of its supporters). At first glance it seems rather inadequate. It is not very clear why they have so many pairs of opposites instead of just having OPPOSITE as a prime. (I'm not even sure how they define OPPOSITE in terms of their primes.) mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.