From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Mar 28 08:01:56 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FOGdS-0005ef-0L for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:01:34 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.231]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FOGdQ-0005eW-U6 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:01:33 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i3so250762wra for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:01:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kLTR/wgxlDrRhDUxWheOq+9k8QuTmVkvkeC91udMzX9ehOuNL4SYYYufm6sCJ5mDBRYC1wnZ8bNjFD4Z2XNlGkhg3iDKExk29kXDhpoXFbl9LL/9Y6TwmQ19P0oSbKUqJOZcRIm7N0dpKxmYpXrrusgSAP5wFk4MBPtzWq1EEio= Received: by 10.54.120.19 with SMTP id s19mr4341456wrc; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.66.5 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:54:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560603280754h6029b7f1k4e86efaaa9c29058@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:54:31 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic primes can define anything In-Reply-To: <20060328142512.83605.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560603280527s526a54farf7764b58bee43a7f@mail.gmail.com> <20060328142512.83605.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-archive-position: 11266 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 3/28/06, John E Clifford wrote: > > So the difference between {krici} and {jinvi} is > the evidence place? As far as I can tell, that's the only difference, yes. > Having the opinion is not > extramental but to be an opinion it must involve > reference to an extramental situation (except, of > course, opinions about mental situations). If you except the cases when it need not, then yes, it must. :) > > {pensi} lacks the belief component of {jinvi}, > > so you would need some other way to get that in, either > > {jinvi} or {krici} or something else. > > The belief component is what I called > affirmation, I think. Yes, that has to be added, > like the truth component to get {djuno} -- > actually that requires both. I wonder how NSM paraphrases "X believes Y" (perhaps "X thinks that Y is true"?) and once it gets that, why it can't also get a suitable paraphrase for KNOW (something like "Y is true and X thinks that Y is true" and probably a couple more things?). mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.