From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Mar 28 08:49:57 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FOHO0-0006e9-Fj for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:49:40 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.234]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FOHNz-0006e1-L7 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:49:40 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so1709178wra for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:49:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O4EtwU9T36oGtAMBn8FBQ4EFaAJ79zNANlXuL1pHXEA/A+iD7NDuoBt8Qb3Cop9DhF1c53EApNDuMwmevMdJOhcRc39+q8sKIQllC+WuPdWwH3aPpbQ945JFBIpNiVN4EItAL5jACadYwMMBDX+F5a96qL+oLKrxMzHF73ZFzD0= Received: by 10.54.101.15 with SMTP id y15mr1967996wrb; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:49:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.66.5 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:49:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560603280849s4dbf8c6anb5147083bcbe72ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:49:35 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic primes can define anything In-Reply-To: <20060328164125.78202.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560603280754h6029b7f1k4e86efaaa9c29058@mail.gmail.com> <20060328164125.78202.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-archive-position: 11270 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 3/28/06, John E Clifford wrote: > --- Jorge Llambías wrote: > > > > I wonder how NSM paraphrases "X believes Y" > > (perhaps > > "X thinks that Y is true"?) and once it gets > > that, why it can't > > also get a suitable paraphrase for KNOW > > (something like > > "Y is true and X thinks that Y is true" and > > probably a couple > > more things?). > > Historically, it has been those couple more > things, usually summed up as "X is justified in > this belief," that have been the hard part (no > one has a generally accepted version that can be > made to work in practice). But presumably "is justified in" can also be paraphrased, and unless the paraphrase involves KNOW (which is not clear that it should, probably something involving IF's and "PEOPLE would THINK"s), then KNOW should be paraphrasable too. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.