From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Apr 26 13:57:27 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FYr4L-0006iC-Ab for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:57:05 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FYr4K-0006i3-TJ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:57:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:57:04 -0700 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: jbovlaste query Message-ID: <20060426205704.GF2842@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060126 From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 11337 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list OK. If you'd like to suggest some explanatory text, I'd be happy to add it to the query page. -Robin On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 04:43:48PM -0400, Matt Arnold wrote: > In my universe, "broken" means "the operator of the device can't > predict whether it is likely to accomplish what it is for at any given > time." If I never know when my car will start or refuse to start, it's > broken. If my car has been deliberately designed to not start under > certain conditions for my own safety, it's not mentioned in the > manual, and I have no idea what those conditions are so that it looks > random, I'll get a new car. > > I don't think it's a bug. I think the absence of explanation on the > search page is the design flaw. It gives the appearance of being a way > to search jbovlaste for every word, and then it doesn't do so. It > looks like a mistake, an accident, because there is no way to know > that it was deliberate. > > Granted, an argument can be made that it's good and useful to restrict > jbovlaste query from finding every example of a word on the whole > site. But until someone knows why it was restricted, it seems to fail > at what the user is attempting. In the meantime Joe Q. Public will > still use the listing to look up bad lujvo alphabetically. > > -epkat > > > On 4/26/06, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > OK, in my universe (as a professional sysadmin) "broken" means > > "completely fails to function". This is patently not the case. > > > > In fact, it functions exactly as designed. If you have a problem > > with the design, this isn't the forum to address it. Perhaps the > > main list, if you like. > > > > The *reason* it doesn't is to avoid John Q. Public seeing things > > like: > > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/selranxi > > > > The goal is for users to be motivated to fix words up so they might > > actually be *worth* voting for. > > > > Thus far, no-one seems to be so motivated, but that's hardly a > > problem unique to jbovlaste around here. > > > > In the case of the word in question, pelnimre, I am *quite* certain > > that I don't want John Q. Public seeing *this* crap: > > > > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/pelnimre > > > > This is a *feature*, not a bug. > > > > -Robin > > > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 04:06:05PM -0400, Matt Arnold wrote: > > > There needs to be a vote in both directions for the words to show up > > > in the search. The search page doesn't say this; John Q. Public > > > Searcher doesn't know this; so he tries a search and it doesn't return > > > a result. > > > > > > Naturally he interprets this to mean that search is claiming it isn't > > > in there. He hunts it up alphabetically in the listing, and says "hey, > > > it was here all along, but search made the claim that it wasn't. > > > Search must be broken." > > > > > > And it is broken, by a meaningful definition of broken. > > > > > > -epkat > > > > > > > > > On 4/26/06, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > Erm. It works just fine. Can you be a bit more clear as to what > > > > doesn't work? > > > > > > > > -Robin > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 03:28:00PM -0400, Matt Arnold wrote: > > > > > Are you talking about jbovlaste? That search engine doesn't work. > > > > > -Matt > > > > > > > > > > On 4/26/06, Alex Joseph Martini wrote: > > > > > > What is the most inclusive way to search for a lojban equivalent of an > > > > > > English word? My test case has been {pelnimre}, which is glossed as > > > > > > lemon. If I search for {pelnimre} in 'virtual combination of en->jbo and > > > > > > jbo->en' I get a match for the entry with the gloss word 'lemon'. But I > > > > > > can't find any category in which I can search for {lemon} and find > > > > > > {pelnimre}. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > mu'omi'e .aleks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > > > > Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" > > > > Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > > Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" > > Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" 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