From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 03 19:19:59 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 03 May 2006 19:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FbTRN-0004P5-Cd for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 19:19:41 -0700 Received: from web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.118]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FbTRL-0004Ox-BT for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 19:19:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 17336 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2006 02:19:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I7SS86xCawA1qgmrOuhhpRxFu5RQ3TiVtYiDFXHD/QDL7ODAi5/KH8SAj141RXJ7i5jeBp7HS94W2jnmbWkUO0F2b5MmN7aXXwJdIBe4t/ykKKcpkYKukV1eLhfhKHVq8MrUxABnVOxSMdrLHFVj0cytNeJQ4OQRvqLr+lnVZ6c= ; Message-ID: <20060504021930.17334.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.230.152.10] by web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 May 2006 19:19:30 PDT Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:19:30 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: Usage of lo and le To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <925d17560605031836w12547ba3n87934504df64c309@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-archive-position: 11367 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list The short rule is: Use {le broda} if you have something in mind and are minded to call it a broda (even if it is not one) so long as calling it that serves to pick out the right thing. Otherwise, use {lo broda} to refer to thongs so long as they are brodas. Introducing and repeating are not part of this rule (only marked definite or not). For referring to the same {lo} use anaphoric pronouns or assigned {ko'a} or "old information" tags or slightly modified sumti that do indicate it is the same thing (incorporating the predicate of the last bridi, for example). In short, xorxes has this part of {lo} and {le} right. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.