From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 10 17:55:18 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 10 May 2006 17:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdzSF-0005An-Qo for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:54:59 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.232]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdzSD-0005Af-6D for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:54:59 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so278290wri for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:54:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=it0tTL8x2vmLk8H7RAIvehFcK1JtKverAsTe0TGoRXjZWiJKTB9AAPQNnOY3mlvJqzi67O8l3Hyko4S2tIMORR/ovTjqc22485Uh2VcJiawzjkyYuP0aL68GP0bNdjaJGBg02KCxfX7iYCIeemkYoUZKeEw08Th24jSDv+uaWd4= Received: by 10.54.82.7 with SMTP id f7mr200067wrb; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.126.17 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560605101754ibf2c8k435cb516bfee8b32@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:54:55 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Usage of lo and le In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560605091911q49d9049fk74d621c05ae2a62f@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605100646o576097b7n1eb81fa3d7c681df@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605101536r3efb57c0re1125ff3301a3403@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605101635x1702203cu13e8397e3ee956ea@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11473 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 5/10/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > No, I see no difference. If you make this inner "all" open to > interpretation, It is not "all" that is open to interpretation, it is "bear" (or whatever the predicate). The set of things that satisfy a given predicate relevantly depends on the context of the utterance. > then you have no way to be absolutely specific > regarding meaning "all ever", or ("all bears ever who are climbers of > this *pats a tree* ever, within 5 minutes backwards and forwards of > right... now.") Yes, you can do it in the same or a similar way as you are doing it in English here, by adding more clarifying words. The {sai} or {cai} I proposed plays a similar role to the "ever" in the English "all ever". It is usually not necessary, but it can help you convey a difference. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.