From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu May 11 17:29:15 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 11 May 2006 17:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FeLWb-0006X1-Fd for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:28:57 -0700 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com ([64.233.162.196]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FeLWY-0006Ws-Ny for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:28:57 -0700 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id x3so344795nzd for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:28:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=F+JcehVj48oa4OHlyt7JT/t8CLgv18DRJ/cLgCrDGP+V7CPUuLe5IOYex8dtzDHkedGhHvGaV5vj4bxxaCd++6bRNY4/h5j40T9E6anP1/tWareGI/HYWfPF1P8bflj+LKGwLoZvshc67XJqaW56NLaN+bWum39RgrARdGLpbmI= Received: by 10.36.221.12 with SMTP id t12mr1711863nzg; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.153.14 with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:28:49 -0600 From: "Maxim Katcharov" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Usage of lo and le In-Reply-To: <925d17560605111709w1198a046n52838e84ee0fcc1c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560605101635x1702203cu13e8397e3ee956ea@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605101754ibf2c8k435cb516bfee8b32@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605101920o84917e4t99c4dc0b2b9d9b6c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605110956u4dd0b662xffdce093966219b6@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605111709w1198a046n52838e84ee0fcc1c@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11500 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: maxim.katcharov@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 5/11/06, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 5/11/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > > On 5/11/06, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > > > > > Then use {lo ro cribe}, that refers to all bears. > > > > > By your definition, this means "all" in context (or "all in context", > > I really can't tell the difference). > > The former. Context is unavoidable. The bears don't have to be present > in any sense in the context. Examples: > > "Being the largest of all bears the polar bear can measure up to nine > feet long." > lo bercribe no'u lo brarai be lo ro cribe cu jmagutci li su'e so lo ka clani > > "All bears killed by people must be accounted for under the quota" > bilga lo lo ro cribe poi se catra lo prenu cu se kacyvau lo selcrulai > > > > In most of these cases the referent of "all bears" seems to be kinds. That > > > > Kinds? (The only thing popping into my head is "of species x2") > > See the polar bear example, for instance. > You're responding to the only two comments made by me that don't focus on my point - that is, you've skimmed over my point entirely. The paragraph starting with "Not by your rules. Here..." outlines my point, and I would appreciate a response to it, as I think that it shows clearly that there is something amiss with the current usage of {ro}. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.