From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri May 19 07:36:03 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 19 May 2006 07:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1Fh64s-0005Zl-9D for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 19 May 2006 07:35:42 -0700 Received: from h-66-134-26-207.nycmny83.covad.net ([66.134.26.207] helo=pi.meson.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1Fh64p-0005Zd-3m for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 19 May 2006 07:35:42 -0700 Received: (qmail 12839 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 14:35:36 -0000 Received: from nagas.meson.org (HELO ?192.168.1.101?) (1000@192.168.1.101) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 19 May 2006 14:35:36 -0000 Message-ID: <446DD7B7.2070705@kli.org> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:35:35 -0400 From: "Mark E. Shoulson" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: What does "anyway" mean anyway? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 11625 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mark@kli.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Matt Arnold wrote: > On jboselkei, Yanis attempted to translate "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" > but he doesn't know the English idiom of attaching "anyway" to a > question. > > Attempting to explain it to him has confused me. I think it means that > the question being asked is at a deeper level than whatever the > conversation was about before. "Anyway" might be synonymous with "in > any case" or "after all." Would we translate it with {.uanai}? It sounds to me like this idiom uses "anyway" to signify "I (or you) thought I knew the answer to this, or at least I should have known it, but I don't." Almost a {.ue} moment: waitasec, it turns out I don't know it. (I'm having trouble defending this interpretation to myself, and yet it really does seem to be right. "Whose line is it?" is an ordinary question. "Whose line is it anyway?" is a different animal). It isn't a simple idiom to translate (most aren't), and it may simply not be translatable in a way that preserves the humor. Hmm... Were I to translate this into Hebrew, I would use a word that means something like "at all". Maybe the meaning is "whose line is it, if it's anyone's at all." Consider that "anyway" added to a yes/no question doesn't do this: "is he coming anyway?" is a normal question with "anyway" modifying the conditions under which he might come. So maybe there's something like "is this question really even valid to start with? Should you be answering it with {na'i}?" Whatever. Stuff to ponder. ~mark To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.