From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat May 20 23:55:31 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 20 May 2006 23:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FhhqK-0004fA-7D for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 20 May 2006 23:55:12 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.178]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FhhqI-0004f0-2I for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 20 May 2006 23:55:12 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z59so1285000pyg for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 23:55:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=srIpy7zQ0QJDi//wCN13/tJu1raErQaDScxeaB1BlXZCOJerE7Z3MrCLxGd2YYCnV2eeGr4IwOQpb400YT/+amte1QQhkh/9dps1fKmEUibaJ14BTjhWTuGMDY25V4fnHno0sWdjgSLY37XHXqV7Xb8OG7fPuanhTa8Cof0/MY4= Received: by 10.35.77.18 with SMTP id e18mr3146532pyl; Sat, 20 May 2006 23:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.104? ( [203.191.164.219]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r66sm293548pye.2006.05.20.23.55.06; Sat, 20 May 2006 23:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44700E56.1010603@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:53:10 +1000 From: Paul Vigo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Specifying Context References: <459363086.20060521085357@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <459363086.20060521085357@mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11645 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: paulvigo@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Yanis Batura wrote: > coi ro do la lojban. xamgu > > > Can anyone summarize, which instruments are there in Lojban for > explicit specification of context for the meaning of the words of the > speaker? > > In these examples explicit context is between asterisks. > > > - Dragons can fly, *in fantasy world context* > > - There are no dragons *in the real world* > > - All bears are animals *in the real world* > > - All bears have something common *in human discourse* > > - The car is green *in your context*, but *in my context* it is white > > - The line is infinite to both sides *in abstract math / in theory* > > - There are no infinite lines *in everyday life > > mi'e .ianis. > > > P.S. / ba lo se ciska: > > Oh sorry, I am an ignoramus in the subtle differences between English > words "context" and "setting" used by mega-linguists here :)) > Perhaps some cmavo from selmao BAI and BAI* may help vedu'o = under epistemology. may help in scoping some of those contexts teni'i = under logic system ... my guess is math and theory, both being systems for generating formal proofs would loosely fall under logical systems as long as the system refered to was clarified. There's quite a few others but these stood out as particularly relevant. ma'i = with reference frame. If the reference frame were specified as everyday experience / the "real" world / etc I'm sure this would suffice, though the semantics of how to express such a reference frame I'm sure are fraught with danger. ;-) These are all modals so I'm no expert in using them, but I'm sure someone will pipe in to clarify if I'm on the wrong track. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.