From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 22 07:41:24 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 22 May 2006 07:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiBaj-000812-79 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:41:05 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiBah-00080t-A9 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:41:05 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j40so1147544ugd for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:41:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lF7zNLL+IKYW5hl6x8n3Xaejsgb290xrwqTkF0V4rYaAyVQv4m6RR7wm+ZyI7BKC2OgArrYFTrAMz4hBudvWIp0ybZ8AHAzpn20QFts+re5EOPHCeugtWdDM+GJglbb1rFzts+GYNNz2G+LgwMAxUn4i4Pj5CwB/JNmQz0+9aXw= Received: by 10.78.29.13 with SMTP id c13mr1119329huc; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560605220741s13068772xf33abb122f9fd366@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:41:01 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all} In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560605160731j379ecfdbo42862a88433e112c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605201618u41770ed9ob343bbe248e22606@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605210914u7d4863b7qbf4a28a5fe3e72ee@mail.gmail.com> <370394AC-290A-404D-BEC7-5466A31BC3C2@umich.edu> <925d17560605211759s500cdb76kdae7425caf46c8f6@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 11656 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 5/21/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > > I don't think {srana} is correct. If it is correct, then what do you > define srana as? And what's the difference between srana and ckini? I think {srana} is "x1 is related to x2 by a relevant/pertinent relationship" as opposed to {ckini} "x1 is related to x2 by relationship x3". {ckini} is thus more general but it can also be made more precise by filling the x3. In the case of {pe}, there is no place for an explicit x3, so defining {pe X} as {poi ke'a srana X} seems like the better choice. But you could get a similar effect with {ckini} by defining it as {poi ke'a ckini X lo vajni} or something like that. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.