From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jun 03 15:07:37 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FmeH9-0008Sd-DU for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:07:19 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.230]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FmeH6-0008SW-O1 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:07:19 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i7so764618wra for ; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:07:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=s4M6VN/dweIoD86g1D/bsq+n4uON28mvDZsr9+fETKSWkVcRgoVsFwz0yCUhJgNNzER+gOpW580alV3zHcpof3E1QXliwq1JmmOVDD9G3+JIF4vZcGeRSEiNLcwpKOVcbsafR1F++ayD7IH/JbJ2TBfKP8+Yno3hdXePPScmxDs= Received: by 10.64.114.10 with SMTP id m10mr2660705qbc; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.237.19 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560606031507u3caf439fof06571b7b02e3e6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:07:15 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all} In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060603162029.74094.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11718 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 6/3/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > > What /is/ the relationship between the referring expression and the objects? That would be {sinxa}, "x1 refers to x2": lu le tadni li'u cu sinxa le tadni The expression {le tadni} refers to the students. > First there's the relationship between the students and the hats. That one is {dasni}, "x1 wears x2": le tadni cu dasni le mapku The students wear the hats. > Then, there's the relationship between the students and the building. That one is {sruri}, "x1 surrounds x2": le tadni cu sruri le dinju The students surround the building. > I > want to know the relationship between *Alice* and the surroundment of > the building. That one might be {pagbu}, "x1 is a part of x2": la alis cu pagbu lo nu sruri le dinju Alice is part of the surrounding of the building. > Mass: Alice is part of the composite entity that surrounds the building That might be: la alis cu pagbu lo gunma dacti poi sruri le dinju Alice is part of the composite object that surrounds the building. > So, what is the relationship between Alice and the building? Probably {mlana}, "x1 is to the side of x2": la alis cu mlana le dinju Alice is to the side of the building. > Or the > surroundment of the building? (Alice being one of the 26 students that > surround it.) la alis me pa le re xa tadni poi sruri le dinju Alice is one of the 26 students that surround the building. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.