From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jun 08 08:33:16 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FoMVG-0001Kd-Lm for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:32:58 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.224]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FoMVD-0001KS-EL for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:32:58 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i5so631290wra for ; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:32:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oFbv+H/amuJedqk0LeA/M1EYHpmDzYJvJMbbsw/D8vkDlx3kwnXf21d93sP5d56W8SFfyPt3WQRdPkGFAV3dW6zbcTVdNQV4sX+j9OXZTDmAEkd4sW5bDA+imwDrjCsD9jCh1cvscXl6KPzJT96JA9gP0FvnYk5FiEReI4cbE20= Received: by 10.65.152.9 with SMTP id e9mr1864790qbo; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.237.19 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560606080832j516fc7c9g7783a394f3d1074a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:32:53 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all} In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060606175408.36256.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560606071637u1dfabac7n6e3551086a616f58@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560606080643r55da8773gd4fad0bdac0c505a@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11766 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 6/8/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > On 6/8/06, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > > The building is surrounded by students and professors together. Then: > > > > loi tadni cu sruri le dinju > > Students surround the building. > > > > is false. > > No, true. Are you sure? Is "Alice surrounds the building" true? Is "Alice and Betty surround the building" true? Suppose Alice and Betty are the only students in the group, and the rest of the people surrounding the building are professors, is "Students surround the building" true? > > {gunma} does mean "consists of". But even if you think {gunma} means > > something else, the predicate that you need to make your expansion > > of {loi} is one that means "x1 consists of x2", not one that means > > "x1 has component x2" > > Ah. No, I don't need it to make my expansion. I think you do. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.