From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jul 05 05:35:35 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fy6am-0006RN-Oq for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:34:58 -0700 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com ([64.233.162.207]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fy6aU-0006Qt-32 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:34:54 -0700 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s1so1196765nze for ; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:34:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kL9Je7lho0qN1EVsbSbc/6fKShx2SmCySdQ6xKd578DjxpYkAiH/+Z3+A7YeiVNqz1URe/MJ9z9SoM3vfVikyDSFsBkO0b4qU/oFTx9nmXm4wBmGWJPBj+GV7nFV7a5bDyxuqe2MEXkkwCNNXHZPQpjOP6gaKpQtgw8td9vso1E= Received: by 10.36.77.2 with SMTP id z2mr6103829nza; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [70.224.74.45]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id j7sm3681391nzd.2006.07.05.05.34.35; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44ABB125.3000802@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:31:33 -0400 From: Hugh O'Byrne User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban alphabets References: <20060704213716.99746.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44AB0A80.7040702@gmail.com> <925d17560607041853r23562af0xad7f31422c8369dd@mail.gmail.com> <44ABADEA.7000504@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <44ABADEA.7000504@mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 11914 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: hobyrne@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Dmitry wrote: > Jorge Llambías wrote: > >> Some thoughts on a featural alphabet for Lojban: >> >> 1- In principle, I like it as an idea. In practice, I don't see the >> community >> of Lojbanists adopting one in the short term, simply because it would >> be too impractical to do so. This could actually be a good thing, as it > > Actually, I decided to restrain from this alphabet discussion, because > it is not really related to Lojban. (In addition to that, reading such > wordy letters in English makes me sleepy ^_^). No worries. Writing them was no picnic either. I didn't expect to have a significant audience following after a while. > Finally, that turned to be impossible. (Will shortage. Should meditate > more). :-D I can relate. I came sorely close to will shortage myself. > Let me point out one more problem with strict phonetic alphabet (whether > it featural or not). > Lojban allows a lot of freedom in pronunciation. Lerfu describes not the > specific sound, but set of sounds, that are thought to be similar. And > it is not a problem - it is essential feature of language, making it > easier. > With strict phonetic alphabet we should either device uniform > pronunciation, or allow different variants of writing the same word. > Both are problematic. Yes, agreed on all points. > PS Eww, I should better learn more gismu instead of continuing offtopic > discussion... And the bit that makes my post more than just a me-too: You think this thread is offtopic for this mailing list... do you know of a better mailing list that might host it? mi'e .xuis. -- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.