From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jul 06 18:48:17 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FyfRn-00038Z-CA for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:47:59 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.179]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FyfRm-00038S-I5 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:47:59 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id i49so441981pyi for ; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:47:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Y//5fe4BG20TyOuSSbj+vIATjoKMW133MIY1fAdaQDKppb7uQmrqHdOXywk38Guv9pxSx7x10QW19ct1nEUwBNnu4yoJfod8dVwZWNsV8v7ls3qY14cE65vgqb53TomjWbu/ZI0aeOfie7r/l3u9UqKi8+8wksG0RqXbB3VRjok= Received: by 10.35.27.1 with SMTP id e1mr1711922pyj; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.17 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560607061847i2576bc91o9a5534060c1c4ca0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:47:55 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Alphabet Starter B In-Reply-To: <20060707004907.5729.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060707004907.5729.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 11948 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 7/6/06, John E Clifford wrote: > > So as a tentative list we have > > A: low vowel > B: vd stop consonant > C: vl back sibilant consonant > D: vd dental stop consonant > E: mid front vowel > F: vl consonant > G: vd back stop consonant > h: consonant > I: high front vowel > J: vd back sibilant consonant > K: vl back stop consonant > L: dental hyphen consonant > M: nasal consonant > N: nasal hyphen consonant > O: mid back vowel > P: vl stop consonant > R: hyphen consonant > S: vl sibilant consonant > T: vl dental stop consonant > U: high back vowel > V: vd consonant > X: back consonant > Y: (central) vowel > Z: vd sibilant consonant That's nice. I would make the following minor adjustments: - Include the vl feature in X, even though there is no contrasting vd, because it is relevant for the phonotactics. - Make Y: hyphen A: vowel That means we don't need to mark the "low" feature at all, and it makes Y distinct which is good because Y really is a special phoneme. In particular, it does not break consonant clusters for the purpose of brivlahood, so in some sense it does not quite count as a vowel. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.