From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jul 09 14:12:04 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FzgZ6-0006c8-WD for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:11:45 -0700 Received: from web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.126]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FzgZ3-0006c0-Ki for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:11:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 36724 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jul 2006 21:11:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L/60cZebG92FymLD7TRK8SWPppw48lig4N4Be+tHol9KEmqU/wIGpa/KXVALWZIzewkgAKneUUdX5MYQpM7fIvDo0L/tDQNkI+OswgLQNkGV7Ry/bfEWg2kyeXHiSpfU4f05cC8xN+wrblugOa8yx3hFbD1D87vtaahaopR4eMM= ; Message-ID: <20060709211137.36722.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.237.228.212] by web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:11:37 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: ZOI and culture neutrality To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <44B155B4.9050503@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-archive-position: 12029 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Speaking of filibustering, ... --- Hugh O'Byrne wrote: > John E Clifford wrote: > > --- Hugh O'Byrne wrote: > >>John E Clifford wrote: > >>>... I don't see the need for it. > >> > >>In the argument (summarized) > >> > >>me: I think something could be improved! > >>you: I don't see the need for it. > >> > >>your point is at best value-neutral (not even value-negative). I would > >>ask you not to filibuster. > > > > Sorry, I took you as saying it ought to be done (what improvements usually entail). this was > a > > request -- in that light -- to show where the need lay, i.e., in what sense its inclusion > would be > > an improvement on something. > > No, it was not a request. It was an admission of lack of vision on your > part, and it was filibustering. > > Breakdown: First sentence, admission of lack of vision. 6 sentences on > personal preference and personal usage. A supposition. And another > admission of lack of vision. > > This was filibuster. If you disagree, I'm happy to let the community > decide (though I do not wish to impose such a task on it). Either the > representative of the community: the list moderator, or the populus of > the community: a poll, would be acceptable to me. Your choice! > > What do you think? Would you abide by the results of a poll on whether > "me: I think something could be improved! you: I don't see the need for > it." is filibustering or not? I would. > > Making it easy: A multiple-choice question. > > What are you going to do now? > > A) Maintain that you are not filibustering, but refuse to allow any > feedback from the community in favour or against your position. > > B) Maintain that you are not filibustering, but leave the question to > the community (or a legitimate representative of the community). > > C) Admit to filibustering. > > D) Ignore this post. > > E) ... My imagination lacks. But as I said, you have considerable > skill, perhaps you can put something in for "E" here. > > (Fair warning: I am holding this as a coffin-nail. Not on your > argument, in particular, but on one of your methods of argument (guess > which one). I'm giving you this chance to disarm me of that nail, if > you care to take it.) > > -- > Good night, and have a rational tomorrow! > > mi'e .xius. > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.