From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jul 11 12:32:02 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0NxQ-00085w-8w for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:31:44 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.180]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0NxO-00085n-Db for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:31:44 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 39so61570pyu for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:31:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rf159w2EtqFYS+y0HHb7hKpYYkIB7pzZmhPnvJGfJKmuFuLyQv2eAHxLT1+f3/8JhXbdfu2Lr4EtWGdecIrMKXubemvjhnH7CZj2Y7e0uzg48ONU5SAhZ1vkutXKTFXngf2A3UJrYwE6cHWYh/04dbjzlkMNdQiawg/FQsaaWYA= Received: by 10.35.78.9 with SMTP id f9mr6651259pyl; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.17 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560607111231k58afe993of960d8ce8e932b4b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:31:35 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all} In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060711154654.99785.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 12106 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 7/11/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > > Also, I've mentioned it before, > but if we're not referring to any one of the students in "the students > surround the building", then what is being considered? But we are referring to each of the students. What we are not doing is claiming, of each of the students, that they surround the building. There is a difference between "refer" (that's what sumti are used for, to refer) and "claim" (that's what selbri are used for, to claim something of the things we refer to with the sumti). We may refer with one sumti to several things at the same time, and in the same sentence not claim anything about each of the things we refer to, but only make a claim about all the things we referred to together. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.