From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jul 12 10:50:13 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0iqN-0002Ns-HC for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:49:51 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0iqL-0002Nj-Gr for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:49:51 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so410488pye for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:49:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=doZXjjNKgK8KzK2B7VVIAHuaqPIjz3DUh6ufVovhhfUuWeVRitScJ9eTd8wTSdoWCDlALgPdP00jpRiluSjn7LfQzNtxFskq4ia5V07PqyVDfMkRg1591Q5uJ28n1fYt2uG+26wv5NhTXoJaVQOTe8fbtFVWYWCP4QwtHY4AhbE= Received: by 10.35.20.14 with SMTP id x14mr1176151pyi; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.39.7 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:49:48 -0600 From: "Maxim Katcharov" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all} In-Reply-To: <925d17560607120531v7de5bfefwa96db493b274fbdf@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060711233003.36140.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560607120531v7de5bfefwa96db493b274fbdf@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 12152 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: maxim.katcharov@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 7/12/06, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 7/12/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > > On 7/11/06, And Rosta wrote: > > > 2. It was my immersion in lojbanology that made me realize that there is something somehow fundamental to the singular--plural distinction, in that only plurals, and not singulars, are sensitive to a collective--distributive distinction. > > > > Good point. I'd like to know how this is accounted for in the > > pluralist system (or rather, the system that opposes mine). > > How you make the distinction between distributive and non-distributive? No, I want to know how you explain why the singular is the only one that is not subject to collectivity. Why does adding a distributive (and collective) marker to a singular make no sense? What is special about 1, by your reckoning? > With {ro} for distributive and {lo'u} for non-distributive: > > ro ko'a broda (distributive) > lo'u ko'a broda (non-distributive) > ko'a broda (unmarked for distributivity) > > What And is saying is that when ko'a has a single referent, there is no > distinction between the distributive and the non-distributive cases. That > is indeed a special property of singular referents, you don't need to > distinguish distributive and non-distributive predication for them. > > > If not > > because of how I describe things to work, then why is it that it is > > strange and perhaps impossible to treat singulars collectively? > > It is just as strange to treat them distributively. The distinction makes no > sense for singulars. We don't say "each cat is in the house" when > there is only one cat. Yep. Why? > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.