From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jul 12 18:10:46 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0pik-0003Hk-VU for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:27 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.183]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0pij-0003Ha-7W for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:26 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b29so49413pya for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YBoPTd+IZtAC2k8vrKpqe0KSE5xGkYqztreTGGNFEStRmt+3TkedXBGCoEWuadP18HaD9LMbw0yRKWoJQEfRvQgkEy9RXBoy3SrlNDN5py8vjyluFERbihgCRAEaiIcSFP8zv9O0nQnW9mhVt6kGxEgzZNsIHbE1Aq41CWzrpbo= Received: by 10.35.37.18 with SMTP id p18mr71129pyj; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.17 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560607121810s1f9b573bx856d0e8e834e1ab5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:10:23 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all} In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060711233003.36140.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560607120531v7de5bfefwa96db493b274fbdf@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560607121113y4d0be37y1fe4757a46c030f4@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 12165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 7/12/06, Jim Carter wrote: > > So distributing a relation over all the one or zero members of the smaller > sized sets is important and needs to be supported in the language. Of course. The only point I was making here is that when {ko'a} has a single referent, {lu'o ko'a broda}, {ro ko'a broda} and {ko'a broda} all say the same thing. (And if you know that {ko'a} has a single referent, marking it either for distributivity or for non-duistributivity would be very un-Gricean, because it adds nothing.) The only point of disagreement we seem to have with Maxim is that he would have distributivity to be an obligatory distinction in Lojban, and I would have it to be an optional distinction. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.