From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Aug 13 18:14:30 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GCR1v-0003E4-H7 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:14:11 -0700 Received: from web56410.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([216.252.111.89]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GCR1t-0003Dw-VI for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:14:11 -0700 Received: (qmail 28259 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2006 01:14:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d4uTHuCHutAIiq0QYna8puPaeIj1BwCO+DSFkDncp4IPSL/4jf8XUZbI7cZdGR1qBPo0FH7cqoLPF0mc6Yi3Tr7PKOz4hO38oMMLhyithy5n/Kxhc2qCpnSiilJYyb1WCrUZuZ7cIefxCyOOKM8SBh6WqMzv1/UPI7//WuylXuw= ; Message-ID: <20060814011408.28257.qmail@web56410.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Received: from [75.0.157.227] by web56410.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:14:08 PDT Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:14:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathaniel Krause Subject: [lojban] Re: bumru To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <737b61f30608121900g571c186bm1da4bd52b242831d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2065610985-1155518048=:27374" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-archive-position: 12444 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nathanielkrause@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0-2065610985-1155518048=:27374 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Chris Capel wrote: On 8/12/06, Matt Arnold wrote: > On 8/11/06, Yanis Batura wrote: > > The second means not fog itself, but the liquid, of which fog is composed. > > > > Wouldn't it be better that {bumru} had another definition: > > > > "x1 is fog covering consisting of x2 and covering x3" > > > > Please don't kill me! ;) > > > > "Liquid of which fog is composed" _is_ the fog itself. It cannot _not_ > be fog. {tu se bumru} is precisely what is meant. I can't think of any example off the top of my head, but I remember that some gismu have two different places that refer technically to the same aspect of an object, but from different perspectives. So if {bumru} did work like that, it wouldn't be unique among gismu. Chris Capel -- Perhaps one ought to use {dilnu} if one wishes to speak of the fog as an object as distinct from its contents. -sen --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-2065610985-1155518048=:27374 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/12/06, Matt Arnold wrote:
> On 8/11/06, Yanis Batura wrote:
> > The second means not fog itself, but the liquid, of which fog is composed.
> >
> > Wouldn't it be better that {bumru} had another definition:
> >
> > "x1 is fog covering consisting of x2 and covering x3"
> >
> > Please don't kill me! ;)
> >
>
> "Liquid of which fog is composed" _is_ the fog itself. It cannot _not_
> be fog. {tu se bumru} is precisely what is meant.

I can't think of any example off the top of my head, but I remember
that some gismu have two different places that refer technically to
the same aspect of an object, but from different perspectives. So if
{bumru} did work like that, it wouldn't be unique among gismu.

Chris Capel
--
Perhaps one ought to use {dilnu} if one wishes to speak of the fog as an object as distinct from its contents.

-sen

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