From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Aug 19 08:33:03 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GESoO-0001xN-KP for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:32:36 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GESoC-0001x6-C2 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:32:30 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id i49so1377501pyi for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:32:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:x-face:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=QVUmS2cHfKHx5sT+C628uZvwbE9zrMKqvRAIebPZnkJNLCOkjt3eahu4r8u9/guZCZmU5jNEzIaPhvcAzzox78ihvjCNA8w+OAdX84kSQCllzNo4GN8w0Yu8G2gQVNLMcigH4wcfyDSAdj3jQxoi/dQPjcsqIEkhmc9iE6O9ECM= Received: by 10.35.60.16 with SMTP id n16mr8608458pyk; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.123? ( [71.112.110.242]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i70sm1461439pye.2006.08.19.08.32.21; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:32:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Timothy Hobbs To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: No Italy Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:32:18 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <38903270.20060819143600@mail.ru> <44E710A1.6070804@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: <44E710A1.6070804@lojban.org> X-Face: %$x0-7^,fcHO.?&-)7gZ`cf|B4e#,3$:k;DH.cVP/{YsMHfsZCx:+nTp-or)aFJ|3BN8@=?utf-8?q?W=0A=09=7E=60f?=>#Di7|+WeVg+h&tijfuo-sfp]\|`_da"TluOQ?(V"r+YyaBA90R|;hEK.;bf6v))=?utf-8?q?jr=2E=0A=09bkzdew1H?=)I7xmxXt'{u.eC7p.|q%43,]/P%qj,=?utf-8?q?P4=0A=09=5C9?=>%n=A]iS1iQDhrm'm,:hZDZc;rF+K:\np&WmD(ckqrht3nN[)U\$:\oiXuIS@=?utf-8?q?q=256=3F=3A=60J=0A=09=7Eq9=27?=@/7LM+r5x2Z!8=(L!}_~_`e\t;ebZNiqb\~}ZB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608190832.18950.tim.thelion@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 12500 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: tim.thelion@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list that seems a bit rude. I am preity sure it is the other way around. (spanish is a dialect of italian.). It is also quite incorrect. You could have new latin and western new latin, BUT NOT EASTERN SPANISH! It is just plain wrong. and also eastern spanish would not properly represent the cultures involved. and seems quite offensive. (ie, genericide of celibrated diferences). I don't accualy know anything. that responce was wholy from the emotional side of my brain. On Saturday 19 August 2006 06:22, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > Yanis Batura wrote: > > I wonder why there is no gismu for Italy/Italian while there are > > {jordo}, {filso}, {libjo}, {lubno}. I think Italians can provide 1000 > > times more Lojbanists than the countries pertaining to the latter four > > gismu. > > Arguably you could make a lujvo from latmo (and indeed that was our idea > at the time). > > The answer to your question is that Italy does not speak one of the 6 > source languages, whereas the four you mentioned do. Based solely on > cultural neutrality, it was difficult to find a reason NOT to make a > gismu for any country with a substantial number of Arabic speakers, > especially since Arabic qualified as one of our 6 languages only by > counting the speakers in the many different countries that spoke the > language. > > If you want to be really culturally obtuse, you could call Italian > "eastern-Spanish", since we almost counted Italian as a dialect of > Spanish for weighting purposes in the language populations %^) > > Or you can make a fu'ivla, which has been the idea ever since we worked > out a system for fu'ivla lujvo. > > lojbab > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. -- -- Timothy Hobbs tim.thelion@gmail.com To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.