From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 31 05:41:40 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 31 Aug 2006 05:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GIlrD-0000br-0O for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 05:41:19 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.183]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GIlrC-0000bk-1G for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 05:41:18 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id i49so581918pyi for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 05:41:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=krC1TYj8E7Axv9mLAvbRcex6ZdfFYhTh8mB7exg+2oteHlOcTm7vf2IyvcHiBt5lacIRvWWfonh5ItdHG/LF7TZMmZTN8gaJSinMwyg8lUX4K8CHJd21d533WyEM3m+b/cH3rB4cqusRYlu37K2qFHImbVWiCydcpXdk0pkQ3+M= Received: by 10.35.99.5 with SMTP id b5mr652003pym; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 05:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.22.14 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 05:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560608310541t46bb57d4sb89cb7a10dc890c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:41:07 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: What's it called when a brivla requires {be}? In-Reply-To: <200608310039.03120.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200608310039.03120.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 12574 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 8/31/06, Pierre Abbat wrote: > IIRR there are three constructions in the grammar where a brivla requires {be} > if it has arguments. One is a selgadri, one is a seltau, and I forget what > the third one is. There are a few more: With {na'u}, to convert a selbri into an operator. With {ni'e}, to convert a selbri into an operand. With {fi'o}, to convert a selbri into a tag. With {sei} to convert a selbri into a free modifier. With vocatives. > What do we call the state a brivla is in when it requires > {be}? I've thought of saying that it's in the infinitive, but the semantic > equivalent of an infinitive is {lo nu} followed by a brivla. Anyone have a > better name? "Bound" by some converter? mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.