From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Sep 24 22:54:12 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GRjPb-0005XO-KI for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:53:51 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.178]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GRjPZ-0005XC-Jt for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:53:51 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id i49so1997114pyi for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:53:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:thread-index:x-mimeole:message-id; b=aps2VSAmspXZPIUX9ePgIzGxklYZZk2VNfZffa205Xczq4/Mb3/r+nlmmPh6z/PvYHXqQSb5y+aeytszkqe6LTOfqolypbzdGzz6WQ8UPQe+TBNNJajOBrQKIOjgT+XO3+b6F+luwlZ26nQow1nBiyhuVwkdfB4r4gixX/nim20= Received: by 10.65.249.10 with SMTP id b10mr550569qbs; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blackbeast ( [67.165.223.114]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e16sm1925946qbe.2006.09.24.22.53.47; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:53:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "M@" To: Subject: [lojban] Re: my opinion on why lojban isn't specifically well suited for human-computer interaction.1 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:54:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <871wq04j3u.fsf@gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcbgYsfKHFnJ3UwUQHuTuBll/PjcwwAAvlLg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-ID: <45176eec.2230f5f7.212f.ffffab6c@mx.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 12623 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matthew.dunlap@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list No, or at least I get a pretty consistent no from linguists when I use that sort of definition. They site syntax as one of many pre-requisites for being a language. In general linguists get really defensive if you try to imply that any non-human animal could have a language. Cats definitely have a set of patterns to represent their descriptions, but they're very self centered and typically only describe themselves (though not always). If it were up to me, you'd be right on the money with that definition of language. Computer languages would be languages, animal languages would be languages, human languages would be languages et cetera. However, there is one compelling argument that my ASL teacher pointed out, pig-latin and Morse Code are not languages, they are codes. They cannot stand alone to communicate so while "go take out the trash" is being said in the English language so is " --. --- / - .- -.- . / --- ..- - / - .... . / - .-. .- ... .... ". So that definition can't be completely right because it doesn't include an independent nature. --M@ > -----Original Message----- > From: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org] > On Behalf Of Timothy Hobbs > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:21 PM > To: lojban-list@lojban.org > Subject: [lojban] Re: my opinion on why lojban isn't specifically well > suited for human-computer interaction.1 > > The defanition of a language is a set of paterns that represent a > description. > > I say "go take out the trash." I am describing that I want you to take the > trash out... > If I say. i=0 I am describing i as being equal to 0 > ect. > > no? > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.