From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Oct 16 17:48:18 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GZd7f-0004fd-HK for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:47:59 -0700 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net ([70.168.83.80]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GZd7b-0004fW-9A for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:47:59 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061017004754.XKDQ16408.centrmmtao04.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:47:54 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id bCnW1V00l3y5FKc0000000 Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:47:33 -0400 Message-ID: <45342835.3090602@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:47:49 -0400 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Medieval References: <12d58c160610161023t490a2cfeq6ed6b7b894a5c05c@mail.gmail.com> <45341958.4060907@lojban.org> <1552939005.20061017071139@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <1552939005.20061017071139@mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 12733 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Yanis Batura wrote: > On 17.10.2006, 6:44, Bob LeChevalier wrote: >>komfo,amonan wrote: >> >>>On 10/16/06, *Yanis Batura* > >>>wrote: >>> >>> > Checking the Wikipedia article, it looks like it's a European >>> period, so >>> > {ronmijycedra} might work. >>> >>> Hmmm... I needed that word for talking about ninjas and samurais... :) >>> >>> >>>According to Wikipedia's History of Japan article there is a period >>>called the "Japanese Middle Ages". So perhaps {ponmijycedra}. > > >>Rather than copying the metaphor used in other languages, I think the >>common feature of the "middle ages" of both cultures was feudalism (and >>indeed, the boundaries of the era tend to be associated with the >>beginning and end of a feudal nobility (Yanis may have an opinion on >>this, since in Russia the feudal nobility essentially persisted up until >>the 20th century). > > >>So come up with a lujvo for feudalism or feudal nobility [...] > > > Coining a lujvo for feudalism is *much* more difficult than for Middle > ages. :) Not really lacnuptruci'e tumnoltruci'e emphasize different aspects of feudalism. You'd want to choose one that describes the society. European feudalism focused on the power nobles acquired from land. The chivalric concept of feudalism was a system of promise and reliance - service in exchange for protection. Another version of feudalism would be based on the existence of serfdom (land-bound servants system?), which would certainly be important to Russian feudalism, but I don't know whether it applies to Oriental feudalism. The important thing is to think about the concept you want to express and what Lojban words point towards that concept, turning to how it is expressed in other languages only to break down a mental block at coming up with an expression. lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.