From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Oct 22 21:40:40 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gbrbo-00010F-0s for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:40:20 -0700 Received: from fafnir.oit.pdx.edu ([131.252.120.58]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gbrbh-0000zy-Nr for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:40:19 -0700 Received: from grerr.oit.pdx.edu (grerr.oit.pdx.edu [131.252.120.19]) by fafnir.oit.pdx.edu (8.13.3+/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9N4e8Dd014281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:40:08 -0700 Received: from grerr.oit.pdx.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grerr.oit.pdx.edu (8.13.3+/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9N4e8e2023958; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:40:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: grerr.oit.pdx.edu: Host localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] claimed to be grerr.oit.pdx.edu Received: (from sec@localhost) by grerr.oit.pdx.edu (8.13.3+/8.13.1) id k9N4e7ps023957; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:40:07 -0700 Received: from c-24-22-28-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net (c-24-22-28-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.22.28.147]) by webmail.pdx.edu (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:40:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1161578407.453c47a7e1ed1@webmail.pdx.edu> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:40:07 -0700 From: Ryan Keppel To: lojban-list@lojban.org, Timothy Hobbs Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Dropping the speech References: <1161570855.453c2a27e9252@webmail.pdx.edu> <87d58jiv5x.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87d58jiv5x.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 12779 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: keppel@pdx.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list .u'inai do tavla zo'e ma .i ko tavla ko .ionai fe'o Quoting Timothy Hobbs : My mind is a very messy place. You would not like what you might there within discover. It would probably kill you to know my secrets. What am I? I am a teenage boy suffering from existential angst. If I could communicate those feelings to you in a fluid manner you would not enjoy my constant pining. You would find yourself filled with noise from conflicting beliefs. You would find that all knowledge torn to bits, thrown in a room, is not but random utterances. In J.R. Tokens Lord of the Rings, there is a group of beings called the Ents. Do you remember these? Surely you must realise that the effort of language is the thing that keeps us from becoming random. All the mind is, is a bunch of thoughts. It is in the light of consciousness that we chose what to say. We need the barrier of language WE NEED IT! To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.