From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Oct 27 06:19:42 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GdRc9-0000Wa-J8 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:19:13 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GdRc5-0000WO-8X for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:19:12 -0700 Received: from [192.168.7.11] (unknown [192.168.7.11]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D042DCE85C for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:18:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Gismu space? Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:18:12 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <1161922951.45418987bfc61@webmail.pdx.edu> <200610270239.32889.phma@phma.optus.nu> <1161932191.4541ad9f9af50@webmail.pdx.edu> In-Reply-To: <1161932191.4541ad9f9af50@webmail.pdx.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610270918.17430.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-archive-position: 12812 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Friday 27 October 2006 02:56, Ryan Keppel wrote: > Well, I was thinking more along the lines of perhaps "integral" in > mathematics. Most of us who learn lojban are hardcore nerds. Thus, the > gismu should start reflecting that. I don't care about lions, or Christians > (although it's quite fun when they meet). I care about integrals, photons, > computers, derivatives, complex numbers, robots, transhumanism, and that > sort of thing. I don't want cultural neutrality. I want to elevate the > lojban/transhumanist culture way above all others. Eventually, they'll be > like the ants that they are, bleating in their gibberish languages. "definite integral" is {bi'irsumji}. There's also a type-3 fu'ivla. "photon" is {guska'u}. "computer" is {skami}. This is a gismu and is used in several lujvo: {samfonxa}, {samki'o}, {samru'e}.... I don't know if someone's come up with a word for "derivative", but it's fairly easy to invent a lujvo. For "complex number" have been proposed {lujna'u} and {relcimdyna'u}. {voncimdyna'u} is "quaternion". A robot is a kind of minji. Whether all robots should be covered by one Lojban word, I don't know. I don't know what transhumanism is without looking it up. Generally "-ism" is {-si'o}, but some English "-ism" words are too vague to translate with one Lojban word. > Realistically speaking, I think the gismu space is more open than the cmavo > space. As more transhumanists and nerds join in, hopefully we'll change the > gismu. In the past, I had wanted to change cmavo to better reflect > hexadecimal. I wasn't approaching it from the right angle then. The > structure of Lojban is an amazing thing--my donations and strong gratitude > reflect that. Cmavo space is actually infinite (one could make a cmavo {bu'a'ei'o'au}); gismu space is finite. Both lists are baselined, and any suggested change to either of them is called experimental. phma To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.