From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Oct 31 02:06:56 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GeqVr-0007xA-Lz for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:06:31 -0800 Received: from f55.mail.ru ([194.67.57.90]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GeqVo-0007x0-H6 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:06:31 -0800 Received: from mail by f55.mail.ru with local id 1GeqVm-000KcH-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:06:26 +0300 Received: from [212.17.0.61] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:06:25 +0300 From: Yanis Batura To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: reform Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: unknown via proxy [212.17.0.61] Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:06:26 +0300 In-Reply-To: =?windows-1251?Q??= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 12857 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ybatura@mail.ru Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list -----Original Message----- From: "Andrii (lOkadin) Zvorygin" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:47:37 -0500 Subject: [lojban] reform > > lOjban is great, but it's not as logical as it could be. For the next major > revision, should we modify lOjban, or should we call it something else? > > ... There are languages for human interaction, and there are languages for instructing machines what to do. Humans are intelligent, and can resolve from context syntactical and semantical ambiguities. Machines (so far) are not, and require syntactical and semantical unambiguity, hence the formal languages for them. There are no (and cannot be) unambiguous languages for human interaction. Lojban is intended for humans. It is perhaps the closest language to computer formal languages due to its syntactical unambiguity. But it is not a computer formal language in the sense of C or Pascal or the like. You don't like many features of Lojban that make it semantically ambiguous, and suggest to eliminate them. Well, this will transform it to just another computer language (be it a pronounceable one), inappropriate for human interaction. What use will it be of? mi'e .ianis To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.