From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 06 08:31:24 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gh7NI-0008Hh-Az for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:31:04 -0800 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.233]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gh7NA-0008HY-Bc for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:31:04 -0800 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 55so161466wri for ; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:30:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=a2vOXK/YlUR7js+cfyxulQigV7BL3ESAIvow8AbyOrrbj5WpADBFjP2KQEllPPT2soyMtjTX75rNe1SdUJ4jrSv4Dz+M/xYOYqNocfiom6KCih89e919Nv7oCjvKTuRESvBbH6iFbKMJEZ5xMKejXrokK37CBRVOFaN9j0PyOAc= Received: by 10.78.117.10 with SMTP id p10mr6898333huc.1162830653919; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.124.16 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:30:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:30:53 -0500 From: "Andrii (lOkadin) Zvorygin" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: livejournal discrimination In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_44479_15734816.1162830653848" References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 12913 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: andrii.z@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_44479_15734816.1162830653848 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 9.14) le re nobli prenu le re NObli PREnu 9.15) le re no bliprenu le re no bliPREnu I don't know if you bothered reading the message. Unless you mean to imply only PREnu and NObli are gIsmu that can be capitalized, and only in such a way. I have already edited my post, replacing zoi with la'o under Eimi's suggestion. This is because it is more accurate to true lOjban. .e'o I am willing to make changes, ones that are necessary. On 11/6/06, Matt Arnold wrote: > > lokadin, > > First I will say this: Thank you for being involved enough to take an > interest in this. Thank you for posting to the blog. I wish more of us > would. I don't want you to stop. I don't want anyone to stop > participating. > > Secondly I must say this: The passages you cited do not describe an > alternative capitalization. They show how to capitalize words whose > stress breaks the stress rules of Lojban, and _only_ those words. > Lojban does not permit that capitalization on words which obey the > stress rules. > > Your post is not valid Lojban. You have not shown that it is. The > Lojban blog appears on the homepage and is the public face of the > language community. It is acceptable to make mistakes in Lojban on the > blog and discuss how to correct them. It is even acceptable to > deliberately show variation that deviates from Lojban, as you have > done. But it may only be done in order to have a thought experiment > for us to discuss. You have to label it as not Lojban. You are not > allowed to pass it off as real Lojban and confuse beginners who come > to the blog. > > Alex and I are both admins of the blog. He's mistaken about one thing: > Livejournal does not give us the power to edit your post, only delete > it. Only you, as the post's author, can edit it without deleting it. > In order for beginners to not be confused by your post, please add > text describing what you do as an illegal variation, something which > is not Lojban but something to think about and discuss on the blog as > a fun and harmless thought experiment for our community. Then we'll > leave it. If you don't, we will have to delete your post. > > -Eppcott > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > -- ta'o(by the way) We With You Network at: http://lokiworld.org .i(and) more on Lojban: http://lojban.org mu'oimi'e lOkadin (Over, my name is lOkadin) ------=_Part_44479_15734816.1162830653848 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 
9.14)    le re nobli prenu
    le re NObli PREnu

9.15) le re no bliprenu
    le re no bliPREnu

I don't know if you bothered reading the message. Unless you mean to imply only PREnu and NObli are gIsmu that can be capitalized, and only in such a way. 

I have already edited my post, replacing zoi with la'o under Eimi's suggestion. This is because it is more accurate to true lOjban. .e'o I am willing to make changes, ones that are necessary.


On 11/6/06, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
lokadin,

First I will say this: Thank you for being involved enough to take an
interest in this. Thank you for posting to the blog. I wish more of us
would. I don't want you to stop. I don't want anyone to stop
participating.

Secondly I must say this: The passages you cited do not describe an
alternative capitalization. They show how to capitalize words whose
stress breaks the stress rules of Lojban, and _only_ those words.
Lojban does not permit that capitalization on words which obey the
stress rules.

Your post is not valid Lojban. You have not shown that it is. The
Lojban blog appears on the homepage and is the public face of the
language community. It is acceptable to make mistakes in Lojban on the
blog and discuss how to correct them. It is even acceptable to
deliberately show variation that deviates from Lojban, as you have
done. But it may only be done in order to have a thought experiment
for us to discuss. You have to label it as not Lojban. You are not
allowed to pass it off as real Lojban and confuse beginners who come
to the blog.

Alex and I are both admins of the blog. He's mistaken about one thing:
Livejournal does not give us the power to edit your post, only delete
it. Only you, as the post's author, can edit it without deleting it.
In order for beginners to not be confused by your post, please add
text describing what you do as an illegal variation, something which
is not Lojban but something to think about and discuss on the blog as
a fun and harmless thought experiment for our community. Then we'll
leave it. If you don't, we will have to delete your post.

-Eppcott


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