From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 06 08:43:37 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:43:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gh7Z9-00006z-Gx for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:43:19 -0800 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.172]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gh7Z4-00006i-En for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:43:19 -0800 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so837069ugf for ; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:43:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iTyXZaRnKTh54+cBFM/R3eFbVmro99iu2cM0iT4oV+SpwgFkM4YTjdACLa6ClCO1vGRK7PT7PjMwD1KRp71FCxt4by5fLPBy3/1z2q71pgb+XJSpRODftK9TSVJo+I+1iCvhpckQ5a0dCd4jp2Hh6D1IWP1LXl3Wt1zqk3ccqbU= Received: by 10.78.204.20 with SMTP id b20mr6919706hug.1162831390320; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.144.3 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:43:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:43:09 -0500 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: livejournal discrimination In-Reply-To: <1575091447.20061106223502@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1575091447.20061106223502@mail.ru> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 12915 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 11/6/06, Yanis Batura wrote: > On 06.11.2006, 22:08, Matt Arnold wrote: > > > lokadin, <...> > > > Secondly I must say this: The passages you cited do not describe an > > alternative capitalization. They show how to capitalize words whose > > stress breaks the stress rules of Lojban, and _only_ those words. > > Lojban does not permit that capitalization on words which obey the > > stress rules. > > > Your post is not valid Lojban. You have not shown that it is. The > > Lojban blog appears on the homepage and is the public face of the > > language community. It is acceptable to make mistakes in Lojban on the > > blog and discuss how to correct them. It is even acceptable to > > deliberately show variation that deviates from Lojban, as you have > > done. But it may only be done in order to have a thought experiment > > for us to discuss. You have to label it as not Lojban. You are not > > allowed to pass it off as real Lojban and confuse beginners who come > > to the blog. <...> > > > What is *real* Lojban? Where can I listen to it or at least read it? > > Yanis Yanis, Real Lojban is not necessarily perfect Lojban. You won't find perfection anywhere. But it's possible to know what Lojban is, and to come close enough to recognize it. Even the CLL only comes 99.999999 percent close, because it has some errors. It's good enough that we have recognition. When you vary so much that those who know Lojban extremely well can't recognize it, that's a lot more than making a slight difference that is still recognizable. -Eppcott To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.