From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Nov 08 21:43:24 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gi2gs-0004Sf-KZ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:43:06 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gi2gs-0004SY-8U for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:43:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:43:06 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names Message-ID: <20061109054306.GJ23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 12974 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list > > > > > > A rule we can't follow that, in the not-following, > > > > > > breaks audio-visual isomorphism is, to me, a total > > > > > > travesty of one of the most important goals of the > > > > > > language. Whether someone gets to use the "la" sound in > > > > > > their name or not is totally irrelevant to my concerns. > > > > > > We're *breaking the language*, and it has to stop. > > > > > > > > > > Your suggestions? (sorry if I missed something back from > > > > > 2005 :) > > > > > > > > Pauses before all names. > > > > > > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The%20Case%20Against%20LA > > > > > > This suggestion is reasonable, but it has two disadvantages: > > > > > > 1) {la.} is longer and a bit harder to pronounce than {la} if > > > used with consonant-starting names. > > > > Boo hoo. > > Sorry, I don't understand this. I am not a native American English > speaker. What do you mean by this? It means "I don't care". > > > 2) You'll have to change the language. > > > > The language as it stands is demonstrably broken; all you have > > to do is turn to page iii of "What Is Lojban?" to see that. > > I don't see how a language can be broken by making mistakes in it, > be they made by whom you consider an "expert". A language with strict rules that cannot be followed is broken: either it's a language without strict rules at that point (since people aren't following them) or it's a language with unfollowable rules. Either case is broken. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.