From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Nov 09 09:52:23 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:52:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiE4J-00071X-17 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:52:03 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiE4I-00071Q-NC for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:52:02 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 09:52:02 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names Message-ID: <20061109175202.GQ23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20061109045003.GF23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <87irhpfc46.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87irhpfc46.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 12993 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 09:00:25PM -0800, Timothy Hobbs wrote: > Robin. just a note. though mandatory pauses do not cause problems, > I do not think... rules based on pauses are bad. about 1.5% of > people, stutter. you would not want to make them unable to speak > due to the inability to not pause :) Sorry, but that horse is *way* out of the barn. There are only 3 places that you can say a name without a pause in front of it: after la, lai, and doi, and then *only* if the name begins with a consonant. Even then, you have to have a pause afterwands. In all of the following cases, the pause is required: la .alis. doi .alis. lai .alis. coi .bab. mi'e .bab. ki'e .bab. pe'u .bab. [insert remaining COI members here] Under the current rule, the pause before the name is not required in these three cases, and only these three: la bab. doi bab. lai bab. People *already* get this wrong all over the place, by not putting the pause in between COI and a cmene; by making the pauses required on both sides of all cmene it would increases regularity, decrease exceptions, and decrease the amount of cognitive overhead required to speak the language. -Robin To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.