From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Nov 10 08:48:09 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiZXi-00037A-5V for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:47:50 -0800 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.228]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiZXc-00036v-Df for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:47:49 -0800 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i3so98449wra for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:47:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tFHfquATSzRjy25sRwDdNrz1YZ4qYIcMDnKdgTjH4KJW392pmIXebsQaVgpMlD/9QvFD9fqAKBjeZ6Uveo1TrKQVSDmw4uwdYlrbk/Q+m+LMNW+32LHqQ3Wpu49KeB04+LulsfEGsYMRs4IbSa2hv3xQvjSghySh/xcdXkshZH0= Received: by 10.78.201.10 with SMTP id y10mr2794198huf.1163177006004; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:43:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.144.3 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:43:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:43:25 -0500 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: livejournal discrimination In-Reply-To: <87d57vnx5a.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45533464.7080901@lojban.org> <4553A799.5010907@lojban.org> <20061110061200.GF23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <45542D8E.9090605@lojban.org> <87d57vnx5a.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 13041 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Bob hasn't done anything so extreme as Hugh and Tim are perceiving it. Personal attacks are really unnecessary in this discussion. Besides, why attack only Bob? Your problem is with the entire core of the community and leadership. The other LLG members who have spoken up, Robin Lee Powell, Mark Shoulson, And Rosta, and I, are supporting what he has said. The only reason I am not leading the charge is that Bob already put so well what I was going to say. Has anyone noticed the latest blog post yet? -Eppcott On 11/10/06, Timothy Hobbs wrote: > Bob LeChevalier writes: > > > Hugh O'Byrne wrote: > >> I know that's what he said. The welfare of the community I referred > >> to is not 'being on speaking terms with LOkadin', but 'accomodating > >> polite debate even in the face of differing individuals' opinions'. > >> > >> He wants the lokadin discussion to end > >> because it's pointless, that's all. > >> > >> That's *not* what he said. He wants the discussion to end because > >> the discussion doesn't serve his purposes. > > > > I want discussion to end because the discussion doesn't serve the > > community purposes. I don't have any purposes independent of the > > community purposes; those who know the history are quite aware of > > this. > > > > Don't you think that maybe in 26 years of working on Loglan/Lojban, > > and 16 years leading the effort and the community, that I have gotten > > a little experience in recognizing when a counterproductive debate has > > started and indeed gone on too long? > and thus you join one side. ASS. Don't say that you have experience leading, for being boastful is a thing that a good leader never > does. And, what is productive? This debate, is infact, probably making it so that lojbanists are thinking about lojban more. If it infact so counterproductive, then why do people continue it? If you want the debate to stop, you need only to not reply to this email. > > > > lojbab > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.