From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Nov 11 04:13:02 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Girig-0001su-CU for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:12:24 -0800 Received: from mx.211.ru ([193.238.131.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiriB-0001qP-W3 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:12:19 -0800 Received: from localhost (mx.211.ru [193.238.131.194]) by mx.211.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF61EBC87 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:11:49 +0600 (NOVT) Received: from mx.211.ru ([193.238.131.194]) by localhost (mx.211.ru [193.238.131.194]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 50558-03 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:11:47 +0600 (NOVT) Received: from mail.211.ru (mail [10.5.1.2]) by mx.211.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5243EBC75 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:11:47 +0600 (NOVT) Received: from host-102-2-129.211.ru (host-102-2-129.211.ru [10.102.2.129]) by mail.211.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6A05C19 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:11:46 +0600 (NOVT) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:11:40 +0600 From: Yanis Batura X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.71.04) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1242304237.20061111181140@mail.ru> To: Bob LeChevalier Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names In-Reply-To: <45556167.10201@lojban.org> References: <20061109041814.GE23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <4553388D.6030007@lojban.org> <20061110011026.GD23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <455433BA.2050601@lojban.org> <4554AF04.60500@kli.org> <45556167.10201@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 13061 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ybatura@mail.ru Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 11.11.2006, 11:36, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > And 99% of us are still thinking in English or our native language, and > translating when we do so. And because of where we are coming from, we > tend to want to Lojbanize everything. > Mature languages (with skilled speakers) do not need extensive > ad-hockery. Borrowings are highly marked when first used, and only get > absorbed into the lexicon slowly over time. Lojban has rules for > allowing this process in a manner that does not violate the language > principles, but when people push the process along, the deliberation > that would hammer out rough edges (and rule violations) doesn't take > place. So people make mistakes. > Since conversational usage often includes mistakes, I don't place a lot > of import on whether some feature causes mistakes, especially when the > alternative approach of mandatory pauses is likely to be equally > violated by Lojban speakers. > I also don't put much import on the failure of proofreaders to catch the > errors. I know how many errors made it into CLL despite a MUCH more > careful and extensive review, over a much longer period. We haven't had > skilled Lojban-speaking editors proofing our works, and everyday > speakers, no matter how skilled, often miss errors when those errors do > not impede their understanding. ie mi panonoce'imei tugni je nelci le se ciska mi'e .ianis To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.