From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 13 07:43:45 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 07:43:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjdxz-0008JM-VZ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 07:43:24 -0800 Received: from centrmmtao01.cox.net ([70.168.83.83]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjdxr-0008Ip-LW for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 07:43:23 -0800 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061113154318.EDLR2189.centrmmtao01.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:43:18 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id mFiJ1V00W3y5FKc0000000; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:42:21 -0500 Message-ID: <45589298.20904@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:43:20 -0500 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 13091 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > Here's another reason the "la" rule is bad. > As I understand it, ordinary gismu and lujvo can be used as names after > "la". There are 23 gismu beginning with "la-", 16 rafsi beginning with > "la"+consonant, 5 rafsi with "la'V" and 2 rafsi "laV". This means there > are a lot of actual and potential words which act differently from any > other native Lojban words, namely by becoming illegal when used as a > cmene. For this reason alone the "la" rule should be replaced. ONLY if a word is in cmene form is it illegal to have a "la". Using a gismu or lujvo or a fu'ivla as a name ("la latmo" for "Latin") has no restriction. Indeed, I would imagine that native Lojbanists would indeed use brivla to name things, rather than Lojbanize foreign words. That is indeed how several languages work. My daughter's middle name was chosen to be a valid Lojban name as well as English name: la ka trina (Katrina) They might even decide to Lojbanize foreign names by turning them into type III fu'ivla (and eventually type IV if much used), which have no la restriction. la jecr,nortkarolaina anyone? mi'e la jbozbabu no'u zo'o la lojbab (or mi'e no'u la lojbab. jbozbabu) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.