From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 13 16:52:30 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:52:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmX5-0004BG-Uf for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:52:12 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmX5-0004B9-LR for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:52:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:52:11 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule Message-ID: <20061114005211.GU24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20061113204805.48815.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4558E466.80006@lojban.org> <525A773F-A307-43AF-9603-3E18C02C42FA@mac.com> <20061113222348.GL24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <54928D3C-975A-48ED-BBCB-2FEE8811049C@mac.com> <20061114004132.GR24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20061114004524.GS24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061114004524.GS24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 13121 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 04:45:24PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 04:41:32PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:30:47PM -0500, Robert McIvor wrote: > > > > > > I will assume you wish to have a rule that does not require > > > recognizing the presence of the 'forbidden' combinations in > > > the word. To do this, one would have to have all cmene > > > marked with one of the name introducers like doi or la (I > > > presume 'doi' is normally used like 'hoi' in Loglan to > > > precede a name used as a vocative. > > Yes. > > > > If this be true, then the parser can strip off the > > > introducer, and the remainder up to the consonant and pause > > > is a name (I presume that a person without a speech defect > > > would not pause in the middle of a name). The LaPlace > > > problem was in sequential names. For sequential names we used > > > the Loglan word for hyphen 'ci', which added 'ci' to the list > > > of name markers. > > > > You know, I think that actually works. Or, at least, I can't > > think of any problems off the top of my head. > > > > Call the Lojban name hyphen xi'i; laSTIvn.xi'iLAItl. has no > > ambiguity I can see. > > However, {doilaSTIvn.} is ambiguous still. It's not a > particularily hard ambiguity to fix (strip *all* name markers off > the front), but still. Does Loglan allow that construct? Replying to myself, this is a bigger problem than I thought. Is {coi.lanam.} == {coi la nam} or {coi lanam}? Does Loglan have this sort of construct? -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.