From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 13 17:01:20 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:01:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjmfe-0004X9-0e for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:01:02 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjmfd-0004X1-GH for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:01:01 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:01:01 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule Message-ID: <20061114010101.GW24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20061113204805.48815.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4558E466.80006@lojban.org> <525A773F-A307-43AF-9603-3E18C02C42FA@mac.com> <20061113222348.GL24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <54928D3C-975A-48ED-BBCB-2FEE8811049C@mac.com> <20061114004132.GR24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20061114004524.GS24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <2674000D-22FA-4910-B27D-BEC4CED8E7AB@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2674000D-22FA-4910-B27D-BEC4CED8E7AB@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 13125 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:55:52PM -0500, Robert McIvor wrote: > > On 13 Nov, 2006, at 19:45, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > >On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 04:41:32PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >>On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:30:47PM -0500, Robert McIvor wrote: > >>> > >>>I will assume you wish to have a rule that does not require > >>>recognizing the presence of the 'forbidden' combinations in the > >>>word. To do this, one would have to have all cmene marked > >>>with one of the name introducers like doi or la (I presume > >>>'doi' is normally used like 'hoi' in Loglan to precede a name > >>>used as a vocative. > > > >Yes. > > > >>>If this be true, then the parser can strip off the introducer, > >>>and the remainder up to the consonant and pause is a name (I > >>>presume that a person without a speech defect would not pause > >>>in the middle of a name). The LaPlace problem was in > >>>sequential names. For sequential names we used the Loglan word > >>>for hyphen 'ci', which added 'ci' to the list of name markers. > >> > >>You know, I think that actually works. Or, at least, I can't > >>think of any problems off the top of my head. > >> > >>Call the Lojban name hyphen xi'i; laSTIvn.xi'iLAItl. has no > >>ambiguity I can see. > > > >However, {doilaSTIvn.} is ambiguous still. It's not a > >particularily hard ambiguity to fix (strip *all* name markers off > >the front), but still. Does Loglan allow that construct? > > No. In Loglan Hoi would be used only before a bare name (which > could be a predicate or series of predicates e.g O Wild West > Wind. What is the purpose of doi before an argument? I guess that that feature is to save people having to remember to drop the {la} when greeting someone. I don't actually know. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.