From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 13 17:29:44 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:29:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjn77-0005X1-6J for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:29:25 -0800 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.174]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjn71-0005Wp-JJ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:29:24 -0800 Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout04/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id kAE1TI2Q013206 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:29:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.33] (bas12-ottawa23-1177806305.dsl.bell.ca [70.51.229.225]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id kAE1TGQB003161 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:29:17 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20061113204805.48815.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4558E466.80006@lojban.org> <525A773F-A307-43AF-9603-3E18C02C42FA@mac.com> <20061113222348.GL24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <54928D3C-975A-48ED-BBCB-2FEE8811049C@mac.com> <20061114004132.GR24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20061114004524.GS24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20061114005211.GU24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Robert McIvor Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:29:14 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 13133 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rmcivor@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 13 Nov, 2006, at 20:06, Robert McIvor wrote: I believe I remember that 'coi' identifies the author of something. In Loglan the canonical form would correspond to Coi La Bab, where Bab is the name. However, a sort of usage sprung up which used the equivalent of Coi Bab, if Bab himself was the author and Coi la Bab if one were citing a third party. The equivalent of 'coi is not a name marker in Loglan, so the 'la' would be considered the marker to be stripped > > On 13 Nov, 2006, at 19:52, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 04:45:24PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 04:41:32PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >>>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:30:47PM -0500, Robert McIvor wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I will assume you wish to have a rule that does not require >>>>> recognizing the presence of the 'forbidden' combinations in >>>>> the word. To do this, one would have to have all cmene >>>>> marked with one of the name introducers like doi or la (I >>>>> presume 'doi' is normally used like 'hoi' in Loglan to >>>>> precede a name used as a vocative. >>> >>> Yes. >>> >>>>> If this be true, then the parser can strip off the >>>>> introducer, and the remainder up to the consonant and pause >>>>> is a name (I presume that a person without a speech defect >>>>> would not pause in the middle of a name). The LaPlace >>>>> problem was in sequential names. For sequential names we used >>>>> the Loglan word for hyphen 'ci', which added 'ci' to the list >>>>> of name markers. >>>> >>>> You know, I think that actually works. Or, at least, I can't >>>> think of any problems off the top of my head. >>>> >>>> Call the Lojban name hyphen xi'i; laSTIvn.xi'iLAItl. has no >>>> ambiguity I can see. >>> >>> However, {doilaSTIvn.} is ambiguous still. It's not a >>> particularily hard ambiguity to fix (strip *all* name markers off >>> the front), but still. Does Loglan allow that construct? >> >> Replying to myself, this is a bigger problem than I thought. Is >> {coi.lanam.} == {coi la nam} or {coi lanam}? Does Loglan have this >> sort of construct? > > I am not sure what is meant by 'coi' so I cannot answer this. If > it were our Hoi, it would be hoi lanam. >> >> -Robin >> >> -- >> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ >> Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" >> Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list- >> request@lojban.org >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/ >> lsg2/, or if >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list- > request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, > or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.