From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 13 18:45:51 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:45:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjoIm-0007hs-Fw for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:45:32 -0800 Received: from centrmmtao01.cox.net ([70.168.83.83]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjoIh-0007hi-PB for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:45:32 -0800 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061114024530.XODR2189.centrmmtao01.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:45:30 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id mSkj1V00P3y5FKc0000000; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:44:45 -0500 Message-ID: <45592DC2.4040606@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:45:22 -0500 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule References: <20061114022715.51594.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061114022715.51594.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 13151 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list John E Clifford wrote: > I thought {lai} could take stress only if explicitly marked by {ba'e}. That there would also be > stress on {tl} I pass over as obvious. ba'e is totally independent of any sort of vocal stress. Why would there be stress on "tl"? It is a monosyllable. Lojban's default is penultimate stress, with no stress defined for monosyllabic words. If the last syllable of a word is stressed and the following word is a *brivla*, a pause is mandatory. But there is no rule for words followed by names other than a pause except after la, lai, la'i, and doi (page 69 of CLL). The present issue was in fact alluded to on that page in CLL. It was noted that the situations where failure to pause before a name causes problems for a listener are rare. It is because it rarely causes problems for listeners, that people get away with errors incorporating "la". lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.