From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 13 21:31:44 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjqtJ-0002qK-Vk for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:31:26 -0800 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjqtB-0002q5-Tj for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:31:25 -0800 Received: from [192.168.7.3] (unknown [192.168.7.3]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB03DCE85D for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:31:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <45595471.3070203@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:30:25 -0500 From: Pierre Abbat User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.5 (Windows/20050711) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule References: <325816428.20061113190842@mail.ru> <20061113171203.GD24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <4558B5C3.9020006@kli.org> <87d57rxf3v.fsf@gmail.com> <4558E2A1.9010907@lojban.org> <20061113221830.GK24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <455917D5.8080607@lojban.org> <20061114011949.GA24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20061114011949.GA24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-archive-position: 13157 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Robin Lee Powell wrote: > Not without error all the time, but without error more than, say, > 50% of the time they Lojbanize names with those sounds in them. > Again, we have no evidence that that goal is acheivable, because we > certainly haven't acheived it so far (3 Lojbanists reviewing WIL? > puts us at an *upper bound* of a 33% chance of getting it right). > > While I was typing this mail, someone Lojbanized {malak} on #lojban, > by the way. People have made the error the other way too. I was looking at Wikipedia and saw an article [[vlydimir.lenin]]. If the "la", "lai", "la'i", or "doi" is preceded by a consonant, its presence does not invalidate the name, e.g. {blabruk}. As to {malak}, the part after "la" is less than a syllable. Probably he didn't realize that you have to break everywhere a vowel is followed by a consonant, including the last one. A single consonant is a valid cmevla, such as {r}, the "god of hesitation". That would explain overlooking {laitl} also; {tl} has no vowel. But then neither does {clsn}. The "la" rule is still a lot simpler than validating fu'ivla, which requires doing slinku'i tests and checking for lujvo. phma To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.