From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Nov 15 07:59:17 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GkN9t-0002Cg-72 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:58:43 -0800 Received: from web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.128]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GkN9j-0002CV-Ot for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:58:40 -0800 Received: (qmail 23434 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2006 15:58:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UXcKTR1HAkJh0OWg76EzTU+peSkBohvOKlcXx5yzFef54VQ8MndUSyYDuDSuYiQiCj2cZFXR/yPVJusDAd5YRaxoy4ebifajbJOBaYyiq1m7FfLJPFWOoWJQwEAydKMd1Z1SxHZG50WNRE2Jzh2wGqoFY3K8vZ6Otr607tfElp4= ; Message-ID: <20061115155830.23432.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.237.213.146] by web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:58:30 PST Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:58:30 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: is there a phonologist in the house? To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <455B22D6.7040101@ropine.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-archive-position: 13182 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Going on half a century ago, Peter Ladefoged's sound spectograms were claimed to show regular (and cross linguistic) juncture features, but I don't know whether these were available to any but the finest grained analysis (or whether they were even real). Lojban does not generally need these; it does need them -- or some substitute for them -- around names, as matters now stand. the situation is complicated by what we have taken as replacements: pauses -- which can occur almost anywhere and of which a machine cannot ditinguish o0bligatory ones from incidentals -- and stress -- which has identical problems. Using a clear glottal stop will help with the first of these, since it does not otherwise occur in Lojban (we hope -- idiolects vary)but it does reaise again the question whehter people can produce it and can learn to do so in a regular way (of course, I am being obstructionist because I like the /iy/-/uy/ approach). --- Seth Gordon wrote: > The whole discussion of mandatory pauses and audio-visual isomorphism > reminds me of how speech-recognition software, back when I was paying > attention to such things, required ... you ... to ... pause ... between > ... words in order to understand what you were saying. > > If I understand correctly, 21st-century speech-recognition software does > not require this. Are they doing this by simply matching the speech > stream against some kind of dictionary in order to guess where the word > breaks are, or are there subtle changes in pronounciation that people > use to mark word boundaries even in connected speech? > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.