From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Nov 15 13:18:21 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:18:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GkS8w-0000NX-Eh for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:18:02 -0800 Received: from web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([216.252.111.81]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GkS8m-0000NG-KZ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:18:02 -0800 Received: (qmail 11365 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2006 21:17:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1oB8LPGbT2Y4s/QnELjbg5TWJ0fEfmKVgi7AkTwl7vjgiC74jyfZNV5TA36Ieu5AjEyRRX6b0rL4er0n84Utf0CrGHsOkQ0KmJfEeN3As5YrEsPhNiY1EZxpHcEy8Z0hUAfpv2aCQjUHE8NZA+MJexce5Vbat7AnibPjSrjfYrc=; X-YMail-OSG: gQK5LP8VM1lDC8XKlWUyvR.TQVaczFM2umNGP.kY4VzkCamf7IRbNzww8V5y.RS9Z1mFwNazx2L3B7WqBi9kMIeJBoXDQYlqqCDPoCdWtSr3LXRHtV6MDDkC5AoT6zGcEByosVis8CzuWrs- Received: from [75.2.64.84] by web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:17:51 PST Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:17:51 -0800 (PST) From: Nathaniel Krause Subject: [lojban] Re: PIXralonumipeseCUKtala'o.gy.The Singularity is Near.gy.ela'o.gy.The Complete Lojban Language.gy. To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <925d17560611151250j15b543fdo61281e78ebaf298e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1181377390-1163625471=:11345" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <219728.11345.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-archive-position: 13189 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nathanielkrause@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0-1181377390-1163625471=:11345 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jorge Llambías wrote: On 11/15/06, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 12:24:56PM -0500, Matt Arnold wrote: > > Lokadin, different people mean different things when they describe > > what the Singularity is. But here is Robin's best effort from when > > I asked him to translate "The Singularity": > > > > la co'i ve'e terzmiku > > That doesn't look like something I wrote at all. Are you sure? > > I consider the (only) important aspect of the Singularity to be the > rise of super-human intelligence, which that doesn't mention at all. In any case, a translation of the _name_ "Singularity" might have little to do with a description of what the Singularity is. If a restaurant is called "The Three Cows", a translation of the name might be {la ci bakni}, which is not a description of what it names. A description would be something like {lo gusta}. Similarly a translation of the name "Singularity" requires a translation of the meaning of the noun "singularity" and then that noun translated is used as a name, it does not require a description of the event called "the Singularity". Quite true, if we assume that the Lojban term for "the Singularity" is to be a cmene, like {la ci bakni}. If we want a non-cmene term, though, we would need something descriptive. Lojban is so very literal. mu'o mi'e .sen. --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Don't quit your job - take classes online and earn your degree in 1 year. Start Today --0-1181377390-1163625471=:11345 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/15/06, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 12:24:56PM -0500, Matt Arnold wrote:
> > Lokadin, different people mean different things when they describe
> > what the Singularity is. But here is Robin's best effort from when
> > I asked him to translate "The Singularity":
> >
> > la co'i ve'e terzmiku
>
> That doesn't look like something I wrote at all. Are you sure?
>
> I consider the (only) important aspect of the Singularity to be the
> rise of super-human intelligence, which that doesn't mention at all.

In any case, a translation of the _name_ "Singularity" might have
little to do with a description of what the Singularity is. If a restaurant
is called "The Three Cows", a translation of the name might be
{la ci bakni}, which is not a description of what it names. A description
would be something like {lo gusta}. Similarly a translation of the name
"Singularity" requires a translation of the meaning of the noun
"singularity" and then that noun translated is used as a name, it does
not require a description of the event called "the Singularity".
Quite true, if we assume that the Lojban term for "the Singularity" is to be
a cmene, like {la ci bakni}. If we want a non-cmene term, though, we would need something descriptive. Lojban is so very literal.

mu'o mi'e .sen.

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