From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Nov 29 10:19:43 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:19:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GpU1h-0005an-SZ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:19:21 -0800 Received: from web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.118]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GpU1a-0005aa-1x for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:19:21 -0800 Received: (qmail 42139 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2006 18:19:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DVHC9+uSE5yqhSxqNhMa233JZepKtMiOYe5m4qCdec/cI37/W82pQ/ieVrdfbo/GVyHXKWJy/WABsQFl29MqDmKffPhWCgr13DhcrHeS/LIQx+deMfV6jrMvZw8NE/WJzVsr4bl23ZxHIx/pkkw/0qFzx1+yQDDo6TUBkfmFLBg=; X-YMail-OSG: 3eRG3hkVM1nARod__ptVgp2JUWV1xFt54zNlPAvJiB7FTEA9WqD.n7Mwcm.hhMBrkI854dPpX3N4l.9.ZHfkR0k4UsJOZoBapSodTShMDyjqYdsUf4Uin9gPZK6pTHpfDvVRiQiV.wsBohQ- Received: from [70.237.213.146] by web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:19:12 PST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:19:12 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: Borges translation To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <775058.40198.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-archive-position: 13268 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- Matt Arnold wrote: > Wow, "bananas". I like that word for jbopre. :) > > {na} and {nai} should be removed from the second version, to mean what > you want it to mean. There's no need to attempt to recreate the double > negative from the original. I believe the last sentence ("we don't > know what thing the universe is") qualifies for the use of {du}, a > pro-selbri which means "is the same thing as". > > Also perhaps {kau} "indirect question, I know WHO went to the store". > "Who went to the store"is a question, but "I know who went to the > store" is a non-question statement that has the form of a question > embedded in it. {kau} is a pro-sumti used for "who" in that sentence, > and "what" in your sentence: "What thing is the universe?" > > {.i ma'a na djuno le du'u le munje cu du kau} MA kau ({kau} attaches to a question word to create the indirect form). > Perhaps you could also have {da} to mean "thing" between {du} and > {kau}, but someone more familiar with {kau} would know better than I > how {da} would interact with it. > > By the way, Arika, slightly off topic: the latest post to the Lojban > blog would be of interest to your conlang studies. > http://community.livejournal.com/lojban/18918.html > > -Eppcott > > On 11/29/06, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > > Ignoring the few typos, I get: > > > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Arika Okrent wrote: > > > > > Here's what I walked in with: > > > li'a ro da poi se ciste le munje fi'e zo'e cu cunso gi'e culno so'i smadi > > > .i da poi krinu le go'i cu caisampu > > > .i ma'a na djuno ma le munje > > > > Obviously, the structure of the universe, devised by someone, is random > > and full of persons who guess. There is a reason for that, which *IS* > > simple. What is it that we don't know about the universe? > > > > > Here's what came out of the discussion -- while it certainly wasn't settled definitively, it > got some general agreement (with the caveat that my notes are hard to read, and that the gismu > choices weren't fully settled): > > > > > > li'a ro da poi ve ganzu le munje cu cunso na gi'e nai barda lo ka sesmadi > > > .i da poi krinu la'e di'u cu mutsce sampu > > > .i da zo'u ma'a na djuno le du'u le munje cu mokau > > > > Obviously, not every ontology of the universe is random, neither is its > > amount of conjectures large. The reason for this is very simple. As > > regards something, we don't know what the universe is like. > > > > -- > > Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ > > [T]he savvy DXer will usually bet a pair of nickels he can pinpoint the DXCC > > country of the "chopity-chow-pit chow-chow-pi-chow" even before he hears the > > call sign. -John F. Lindholm, QST vol. 66 no. 3 p. 83 > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.