From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Dec 04 06:53:17 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 06:53:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GrFBc-0000Ei-D8 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 06:52:52 -0800 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.236] helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GrFBS-0000ES-BC for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 06:52:52 -0800 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id r28so1771457nza for ; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 06:52:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index; b=X9tUbJPBC3vW2o/j+xkLNpqeuhMt3+TqiOfkE99+1jC5KFekogsHPC9e4Wa3IMPdxZe6n+bz/IFS0AB89Db1mkJBrs92QWx/7/zKFjIDU78LOkhkRzhqMf/Itig9XCb3bfzW0OpctnYpj+xiUUed847jPL1TRFsg+OjO0da3UEc= Received: by 10.65.20.3 with SMTP id x3mr12292239qbi.1165243961072; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 06:52:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from thebee ( [71.196.217.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q18sm35082881qbq.2006.12.04.06.52.39; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 06:52:40 -0800 (PST) From: "M@" To: Subject: [lojban] Re: writing a sign language Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 07:52:35 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c717b3$d670ccd0$6601a8c0@hq.squarei.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C71779.2A11F4D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AccXpRhqntVDXNTySYuBHBtSL5tg9wADZ0eQ X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-archive-position: 13310 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matthew.dunlap@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C71779.2A11F4D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's really not that surprising if you look at it from a 'tools' perspective. Sign language, to native speakers, isn't some dance that can be performed, it's simply a tool for communication, as is English, which deaf people also know (they go through our schools too), so why not choose the appropriate/simpler tool for the job? --M@ This has been my experience too. Signers don't believe that their sign language can be reduced to writing, and don't want it if even if it could be. All of this just amazes me. I'd expect to find an interest in preserving the language and performances in it, but I don't see any such interest among those who use it. stevo ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C71779.2A11F4D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It’s really not that = surprising if you look at it from a ‘tools’ perspective. Sign = language, to native speakers, isn’t some dance that can be performed, = it’s simply a tool for communication, as is English, which deaf people also = know (they go through our schools too), so why not choose the = appropriate/simpler tool for the job?

--M@

This has been my experience too. Signers don't believe that their = sign language can be reduced to writing, and don't want it if even if it = could be. All of this just amazes me. I'd expect to find an interest = in preserving the language and performances in it, but I don't see any such interest among those who use it.

stevo

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