From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jan 06 03:38:11 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H39rN-0003Qx-NQ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:37:16 -0800 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.236]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H39qx-0003Q9-FH for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:37:03 -0800 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so10310865wxd for ; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:36:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=HsPslrY2/IWE968LOs4iLXXED0TBqlEOdqrh8dlGT8XZm/wZwBpBpwmMsXvz2yw74CP+0t/0YZGPbWJSWBbUWORl8TNtzdQ6LDqjnrZ1kZoA1S+cYJn55zY1P69b0Fv5k3wNwJ6EX2gC7VLAvO4lj2mS8fdQ79l/MbKIXg5oqKg= Received: by 10.90.115.4 with SMTP id n4mr1270913agc.1168083406182; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:36:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.31.16 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 03:36:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3ccac5f10701060336x59fc8a89j1eefc6ea85f9dae9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 14:36:46 +0300 From: "Cyril Slobin" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Duty, promice etc... In-Reply-To: <925d17560701051231y30cacef5yd2e3faa430ca3833@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560701050934yc0c5158w7d06fb2f916dc9a@mail.gmail.com> <20070105191524.79889.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560701051158t3d29fec1n8afb2e76c7f41924@mail.gmail.com> <3ccac5f10701051206yeb150cdv8e2274c26fc8eb2a@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560701051212p7e95aa4bia6a5f968d1ea4426@mail.gmail.com> <3ccac5f10701051225x3cbc6444se866ee2b39fa7c9e@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560701051231y30cacef5yd2e3faa430ca3833@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3ce33acb432a8c34 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 13517 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: slobin@ice.ru Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list coi xorxes > But it is {lo se bilga} that are the obligations, not {lo nu se bilga}. > For example, giving you a bicycle might be my obligation, > my being obliged to give you a bicycle is not my obligation. Oh, THAT is the point. I believe that there is an important concept of "my being obliged to give you a bicycle", whether or not it is expressed by English word "obligation". And "giving you a bicycle" is, er, the content, the result of dereferincing, the thing pointed by the thing that I, by the lack of better word, call "obligation". ... CEKPETHOCTb 3AKOHOMEPHA, HO HEECTECTBEHHA ... -- Cyril Slobin To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.