From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 08 06:39:11 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H3ve8-0006QL-LQ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:38:46 -0800 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.231]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H3ve2-0006PZ-14 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:38:44 -0800 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i20so2866656wra for ; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:38:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=scfKSBPBwCfG5IRZXMdqlY5y9zilKp7EAjuNE2tklgT3b6QXrMWA4iaSQtBrIy14svQTjIQdfWMpUlxRL/5aYAFUc5aHMtNo/KkcoDrB5Gijas5zOD5OZV1m/9+uqnwtSy+29NKa4RQyK2pR4BBvVEEVyhZJsjCI68tR+nY8H/g= Received: by 10.90.29.2 with SMTP id c2mr2046335agc.1168266703396; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.31.6 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:31:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3ccac5f10701080631i108f5020le78e07397c04f080@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:31:43 +0300 From: "Cyril Slobin" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Duty, promice etc... In-Reply-To: <925d17560701071322l28145cb7u46eaa75b9255c71d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560701060757o1c0b3914w2f28416a2858cb29@mail.gmail.com> <611088.72555.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560701070458t7243c3a0n2368d08b771cd615@mail.gmail.com> <3ccac5f10701070552o6995a1fetce44cc0fd724ee82@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560701070904g78dba657j8a8510465d3c1cc7@mail.gmail.com> <3ccac5f10701071208j3249b18ao83185aad8a3fdd5e@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560701071322l28145cb7u46eaa75b9255c71d@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: fbbc90abe979668d X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 13526 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: slobin@ice.ru Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list coi xorxes > > I opine {nupre} is "to make/give a promise". I opine this is different > > concept from "being bound by a promice". Second is > > implied/motivated/justified by first, but is not the same. > Ah, right. So {nupybilga} is closer to {ba'o nupre}, the situation > that ensues in the aftermath of making a promise. I think it is still not the same. If I have break my computer, then surely {my ba'o pofygau le mi skami}, but not necessary {le mi skami cu ca ca'a spofu} - it may be repaired thereafter. I am not sure, whether {ba'o broda} implies success or not, but even if it does, success may be undone shortly thereafter. ... East of the Moon, west of the Sun ... -- Cyril Slobin To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.