From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 15 11:23:19 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:23:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H6XQ2-0000jO-Ix for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:22:59 -0800 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.226]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H6XPu-0000jF-JC for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:22:57 -0800 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so2658226wxd for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:22:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XUHojEn+I6ks9z7f7gjqDFTZYiGIn08FQrPCNqUluDHDo0KfGlDZ3gL1ZwM2rOWCN8BD2/IHV7pfESrBP278gjJxvOf+CKAuxUYzjhsf4c/+EuQfGqWLqhaOtKFBgTKZ5smkZhNX/4q/LfTwfGU/fOamnOEvMPu+EVFAXxeej0M= Received: by 10.70.129.4 with SMTP id b4mr8583569wxd.1168888968826; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:22:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.73.6 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:22:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <737b61f30701151122q4fa72358y3e1025e0337e18a2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:22:48 -0600 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: marimba and xylophone and other instruments In-Reply-To: <200701150906.46101.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200701141544.43490.phma@phma.optus.nu> <45AB16CA.2040704@pcisys.net> <200701150906.46101.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: -21 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 13541 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 1/15/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > 1. Idiophone: The instrument itself, which is not stretched, vibrates. [...] > The bars of a xylophone vibrate without being stretched. It is therefore an > idiophone. They are held at the nodes of the first mode of vibration. Bells > are also idiophones. What is "the instrument itself"? Obviously a xylophone's stand is part of the instrument, and yet it doesn't vibrate. With a piano, the strings and soundboard are part of the instrument, but so is the shell and cover and such, and those don't vibrate. So I'd say a xylophone is really somewhere in between an idiophone and a "block"ophone. > {pipno} covers both pianos and organs, which have nothing in common except the > keyboard and the mapping of keys to notes. Since a xylophone has the same > arrangement of bars as a piano does of keys, I think it qualifies. No opinion here. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.