From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue May 08 15:54:15 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 08 May 2007 15:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlYZ3-0000ZQ-2f for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 15:53:49 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlYYy-0000Yv-Lk for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 15:53:48 -0700 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D01FCEAA3 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Cricket & fu'ivla Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 18:53:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <12d58c160705081523n2b3bf85fs4eb89caf0b38c318@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <12d58c160705081523n2b3bf85fs4eb89caf0b38c318@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200705081853.38704.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: 5 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13705 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tuesday 08 May 2007 18:23, komfo,amonan wrote: > Off and on I muse on Lojbanic vocabulary for competitive games/sports. I'll > float some musings out here & see what happens. > > I'm inclined to go with fu'ivla for the basic words, hence from > jivna : x1 competes/vies with opponent x2 in contest/competition x3 (event) > for gain x4; x1 rivals x2 > > one might derive the fu'ivla > jivnrkriketi : x1 is-a-cricketer / plays-cricket > > Question 1: Does the x1 of a type-3 fu'ivla necessarily align with the x1 > of the root gismu (jivna in this case)? Or is it defined by the coiner? Or? Does not necessarily, but normally does. > Question 2: Does a fu'ivla have oblique places? (I have spotted {se > kelcrcaxmati} for "chess".) If so, do they align with the root gismu? They do not have to. What I'd do is take the gismu's place structure and add or delete places until it fits the meaning of the fu'ivla. {finprgado} has the same place structure as {finpe}: x1 is a codfish of species x2. But {jicmrboro} does not have the same place structure as {jicmu}: x1 is a quantity of boron. > Question 3: Can type-3 fu'ivla be derived from lujvo? (vlatai accepts > {seljivnrkriketi} and rejects {bajyjivnrmaratono}) (Disclaimer: I don't > like these, but I've seen them about.) No. {seljivnrkriketi} is a type-4 fu'ivla, and {bajyjivnrmaratono} is a lujvo of {bajra} and {jivnrmaratono}, and vlatai doesn't know about any sort of rafsi fu'ivla except CCVVCV. {kriketi} is a valid fu'ivla too. Someone might confuse it with the insect, but that's {sagjalra}. Or maybe one could confuse it with {krokuta} (hyena) or {kriceto} (hamster). Realistically, that sort of confusion is about as likely as a volmabru falling out of the sky into a baseball game ;) (which has happened, and they sent the batboy to get it). Pierre To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.